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FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original idea of a "tinfoil hatter" was that the "hatter" wore a head garment made of tinfoil, to block the mind-control radio waves the [government|aliens] were using to take over people's brains. I don't think we have any particular indication that is likely, yet.

If the technology existed, you better believe they'd use it.

Who cares if they would? I don't believe it exists or will exist in the near future, so it's immaterial.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#62

This is crazy, but really interesting at the same time. I always thought that this was the way to break anonymity on the Tor network. FBI basically generated a shit-load of Tor nodes ( https://blog.torproject.org/blog/how-to-handle-millions-new-... ) for some while to increase their chances of intercepting traffic. Following the data collection and using statistic, they were able to pin-point the origin of most Freed…

> FBI basically generated a shit-load of Tor nodes (https://blog.torproject.org/blog/how-to-handle-millions-new-...) for some while to increase their chances of intercepting traffic.

The blog post you link to was about a recent massive increase in Tor clients, not Tor nodes.

From what I've read I was under the impression that Freedom Hosting itself was hacked to disclose its IP addresses, rather than the FBI taking over the Tor network.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell me more background about that. (I recall mention of this before on HN, but I'm not recalling many details.) What's our best information on how leadership of Anonymous has changed over time? AFTER EDIT: Thanks for your link, which I think came as an edit to your comment. Here is a link to follow-up news: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/feb/22/lulzsec-sa...

Someone else should step up and give a comprehensive overview, because I can only recount the timeline from memory, not provide sources. But iirc, Anonymous was a loose coalition of random people on the internet, some of which turned out to have some basic hacking skills. They weren't really taken seriously until they embarrassed HBGary. At that point, the FBI began investigating them. Anonymous changed their name to…

> The FBI used standard police techniques to infiltrate and eventually dismantle the those groups.

Seriously, how do we know the FBI's story isn't "parallel construction"? It always seemed to me that tracking down Anonymous would be easy if you had NSA-scale monitoring. I don't want to sound like paranoid guy, but maybe the FBI's stories about tracking down clues from chat logs are all made up.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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> The apparent FBI-malware attack was first noticed on August 4, when all of the hidden service sites hosted by Freedom Hosting began displaying a “Down for Maintenance” message.

The underlining reason for this has been the notion that the FBI was attempting to catch people engaged in CP related activities...

This maybe a little tin-foil here, but...

If you deliver a 404-type of a page on all requests, no website is traversed, no CP is viewed, transferred, replicated, or distributed. Meaning there is nothing here to charge the person with.

Does this article get the facts wrong, or was the purpose of this exploit something entirely different. Because if the article is true (this exploit was only in "Down for Maintenance" pages, which were the only pages served), all they did was get a bunch of useless IP to MAC to host-name correlation/mapping data for that moment in time.

There is also the 'Fruit of a poisonous tree' argument here. Would this untargeted hacking even stand up in court if this data is used to prosecute someone?

This sounds more like flexing of the muscles - the FBI saying we can get you if we want to. Or something else was going on. It also seems like a waist of a good exploit that they would probably use towards terrorist or national security related issues (ex: if they knew the MAC or host-name of a bad guy using TOR that day, but did not know his IP / so they put this out).

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#66

This is crazy, but really interesting at the same time. I always thought that this was the way to break anonymity on the Tor network. FBI basically generated a shit-load of Tor nodes ( https://blog.torproject.org/blog/how-to-handle-millions-new-... ) for some while to increase their chances of intercepting traffic. Following the data collection and using statistic, they were able to pin-point the origin of most Freed…

You are confusing two things, one is the sudden increase in tor traffic you linked to, and which was possibly caused by a botnet which used tor as command & control network. The other is the attack on freedom host, which the FBI perpetrated. There the FBI injected a trojan into websites and could therefore deanonymyze users of the websites. So in that case tor did protect the malware as designed, but could not protect the anonymity of the user, because the local computer did made a connection over TCP/IP.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the technology existed, you better believe they'd use it.

Who cares if they would? I don't believe it exists or will exist in the near future, so it's immaterial.

Everyone cares if they would [and that they are]. What is immaterial is what technology the governments use to spy on their people, especially unlawfully.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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"Freedom Hosting has long been notorious for allowing child porn to live on its servers. In 2011, the hactivist collective Anonymous singled out the service for denial-of-service attacks after allegedly finding the firm hosted 95 percent of the child porn hidden services on the Tor network. In the hearing yesterday, Donahue said the service hosted at least 100 child porn sites with thousands of users, and claimed Mar…

The reason the FBI and Anonymous seemed to join forces is because the FBI turned Anonymous's leader, Sabu. http://gawker.com/5890847/revered-anonymous-leader-rats-out-...

Anonymous has no leaders and lulzsec isn't Anonymous. Notice how it has a identifiable name and members who are not anonymous.
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