Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by JohnTHaller » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 1:46 PM UTC

rjd wrote: post #669

JohnTHaller wrote: post #589

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Yeah, but Nokia did it with phones first, so Apple should respect that. The same way Apple claims all sorts of things were unique and patentable because they did them on a phone touchscreen and not a PDA touchscreen (which is so TOTALLY different).

Apple has been doing colorful consumer devices for over a decade... iMacs come to mind... they do the modus operandi and they are suddenly copy someone? you have some serious tunnel vision.

You missed the obvious sarcasm in the post. Apple did colorful things before Nokia's phones, but Nokia did multi-colored phones before Apple did. And, using Apple's logic that just because it's a phone makes it different (see multiple iPhone patents that folks like Palm and Microsoft did first on PDAs and similar), that means Nokia was new and innovative and Apple copied.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by Macha » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 1:56 PM UTC

ricardobeat wrote: post #700

Macha wrote: post #691

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Now, here's what happens when I try to stream a video on my phone's internet connection: * It takes 20 seconds of buffering just to start. * Assuming it's 360p, it runs for about a minute or two, then starts to buffer again. If it's higher, it lasts even less. * The video starts to buffer again. This takes another 20 seconds. * This repeats until the end of the video. * My phone company charges me €2 for data used in…

You can still just sync sporadically what you need, and keep the complete library on a HD or your main computer. Most peoples' collections won't even fit on a 128GB device.

I could, or I could just have my collection available when I decide to listen to it rather than have to think to put it on a smaller device beforehand.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by scott_karana » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 5:17 PM UTC

jmcdonald-ut wrote: post #575

scott_karana wrote: post #369

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Yes, the iPhone 5S definitely needs to address more than 4GB of RAM directly, or do 64-bit integer math for Angry Birds to render accurately. (This is a joke: I know 64-bit ARM is substantially improved, but it's really not a big selling point to the general population anymore, is it?!)

Non techies that I know hear 64 bit and immediately think that it's better. When friends show me a new lap top or whatever else, they say it's 64 bit. When they're shopping they ask if something is 64 bit. They don't understand why it's important, but they think it is.

Alright, fair enough. Guess it's still a marketing buzzword for some!

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by evilduck » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 5:27 PM UTC

jl6 wrote: post #247

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So now your "docking station" is actually a separate computer; what part of the phone would it use? The storage?

Yes, it would be very useful to have a single OS image that could scale its user interface and capabilities to the hardware it finds attached at any given moment.

OSX already does this. Got a base model Macbook Air and a big powerful iMac or Mac Pro? Connect a thunderbolt or a firewire cable and boot in target disk mode, you'll boot from the Air's hard drive but get the full hardware capabilities of your iMac or Pro (better GPU, more CPU power, whatever).

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by mikeash » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 5:35 PM UTC

pekk wrote: post #343

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Because no other company ever criticizes their competitors' marketing? This discussion is frankly insane. This stuff is called "marketing". Virtually every company does it. Companies that don't do it are called "failures".

More than most brands, Apple uses 'meta' advertising, calls out competitors for being corporate and mainstream and focused on machines over humans ("1984", etc.) It helps them mint money selling nice-looking consumer electronics, and at the same time it makes them justly more susceptible to this kind of criticism. It's all part of the same package. I think they can weather a little criticism for the hypocrisy in thei…

Does it really do this stuff any more than other brands? Seems to me that it just gets more attention for it sometimes.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by diminoten » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 6:33 PM UTC

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #450

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This phone takes way better pictures and has a longer battery life. There, features people care about.

But it doesn't have better battery life. It has very similar battery life to the last one according to Apple's own figures.

It says it has a better battery life, I'm just going by the submission.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by ulyssesgrant » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 10:09 PM UTC

bugsbunny4341 wrote: post #666

Is it just me or is it something we don't expect from Apple? http://imgur.com/KYgtVDb

Exactly right. Something like this seems so easy for them to catch too, I wonder why/how it made it through. Maybe the case was a last-minute addition

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 3:35 AM UTC

fumar wrote: post #474

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I had to trim down the number of playlists I store on my Nexus 4, which only has 16 gigs. I also have to be more cognizant of how many podcasts I download at the same time. I like my phone. But I don't think I'll ever buy anything without at least 32 gigs of storage, or a place to plug more memory in.

I recommend, uploading your music to Google Play. You do not have to worry about using up the space on the device.

I live in New York; most of the stations and tunnels have no connectivity whatsoever. If I want to listen to my music offline, I do have to sync it.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by NamTaf » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 6:11 AM UTC

Tichy wrote: post #696

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Of course, but if I want to do more than passing browsing then I would want to do it on a device other than my phone. My phone's net connection is for finding out quick info, like transport schedules or the current score in a sports match. It's not for doing extended browsing. Hence to me, a bigger screen is detrimental.

You'd want to do extended browsing on another device precisely because the iPhone is too small. Your mind is stuck in "faster horses" land and you can't imagine what use you could get out of a better phone :-)

Disagree completely. My mind isn't stuck in 'faster horses' land. I just live in a winding medieval city full of laneways too narrow for a car.

(That is to say, my use case is such that I want a small device, and that is more important to me than the ability to have a big screen - it'd be useless to me because I would not want to take it with me, destroying the 'mobile' in mobile phone.)

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by eli » Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 12:12 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #234

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

I'm not quite sure I get this level of paranoia. We all leave thousands of fingerprints in public areas every day.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Wouldn't the fact that it could record all your conversations and movements and mobile data traffic be a much bigger problem?