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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by sliverstorm »

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

If the NSA has compromised everything, what's the point of all this paranoia? If you can't trust your software, your compiler, your operating system, your microprocessor, your network adapter, your router, or your ISP- you're hosed. It's over. You lost. So can we at least stop banging the war-drums?

There's either absolutely nothing you can do about it, or it's not as bad as you think and you are being wildly over fearful.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by 3pt14159 »

pilif wrote: post #172
sliverstorm wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably already have your fingerprint. I believe you usually have to give it to the DMV to get your license.

In the country where I live (Switzerland), getting a drivers license thankfully does not involve somebody taking your fingerprint. Also, public transportation here rules to such an extent that not even having a drivers license is a perfectly valid option. I don't have one for example. My passport also is one of the last ones you could get without it containing any biometric data. As such, I'm reasonably sure that no…

I fully agree with you and for the exact reasoning (as a Canadian).

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by cma »

kyro wrote: post #221
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Yes, absolutely. While the idea of fingerprint-purchasing might have interesting applications, what you mention should also be a serious concern. The saddest part to me is that people are attempting to put an end to this worry by saying "well, Apple said they don't give apps access to it." And no other tech company has ever told us about any of their involvement and cooperation with the NSA in the collection of priva…

In the future you aren't going to be able to keep your fingerprints to yourself anyway:

http://www.dvice.com/archives/2012/06/keeping_you_saf.php

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by mikeash »

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

I'm not quite sure I get this level of paranoia. We all leave thousands of fingerprints in public areas every day.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by jonknee »

stanleydrew wrote: post #213
cheald wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

> For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

The NSA is a spy agency, of course they are spying on people. Unless the NSA ceases to exist it will spy on people. They are not actively trying to claim otherwise (only that they try really hard to only spy on people who are in someway connected to someone who is not an American or has been designated dangerous).

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by abecedarius »

stanleydrew wrote: post #213
cheald wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

Well, whose fault is that?

Scheier's special prosecutor plus truth and reconciliation commission seems reasonable. But we're getting way off topic.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by chrischen »

tedunangst wrote: post #201
pilif wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And how exactly do we check this? Why is it that we can still trust Apple? For all we know, the data gets sent directly to the NSA or, if it doesn't, there might be some secret backdoor that will make the device send the data at a later point. The last round of leaks was specifically talking about backdoors with all bigger US companies in order to circumvent encryption. That's what I means by "we have to conside…

Have you ever used an ATM? Did you check that it didn't have embedded fingerprint readers in it?

Seems to work when I have my gloves on.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by jonknee »

mikeash wrote: post #234
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

I'm not quite sure I get this level of paranoia. We all leave thousands of fingerprints in public areas every day.

Not on high resolution cameras designed to record them attached to your identity.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by cheald »

stanleydrew wrote: post #213
cheald wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

I'm not snarking at all. I'm observing that comments about the NSA are entirely apropos given the current climate we live in. Yes, you're right, at this point, it would take something extremely radical to convince us that the NSA isn't spying on us anymore. Therefore, we should expect comments about the NSA and spying to become a part of the common dialog regarding technology and personal information. Asking them to go away is just asking people to stick their head in the sand and ignore it.

The comments will go away when the issue goes away. The issue isn't going to go away. Therefore, don't expect the comments to, either. Welcome to the world we now live in.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by mmanfrin »

In most previous Apple iterations, when they release a cheaper/multi-colored version of a flagship product, they also release a new (more premium) product line. This time they didn't. This is disappointing to Americans (hence the drop in share price) but also shows Tim's direction: China. His expertise in the company under Jobs was in supply chains and Asia, and now he is orienting (pun not intended) the company towards Eastern markets.

Disappointing shortsighted shareholders, but in my opinion an absolutely perfect time to buy AAPL: they have huge cash reserves and pushing in to the massive Eastern market with the Gold iPhone will only pad further those cash reserves that that low P/E.

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