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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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/ in the morgue

You're all assuming the finger is still attached to the rest of the body.

Every time fingerprint scanners are mentioned, people start talking about cutting off fingers. Guess what: the people making the scanners have considered this scenario. All of their clients have nagged them about it continously for decades. It's fun to talk about, but it won't work.

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Why? Snark seems like a perfectly cromulent word.

"Snark" is one of those words that people first learned on HN and now reuse whenever there is a comment they don't like.

"Snark" means "snide remark" and is absolutely not an HNism. Hell, I think I learned it from my mother (who no doubt used it at me). Despite heavy use, the word retains clear meaning, even as used by stanleydrew above in his otherwise foolish comment.

It is a perfectly cromulent word.

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/ in the morgue

OK everyone, walk back from that ledge. Someone with the resources and motiviation to drug/kidnap/kill/amputate to get access to a biometric scan is going to be well-equipped just to steal the device and read the flash out via JTAG. Screen locks do not provide meaningful security vs. a determined attacker, and never will no matter what the unlock mechanism is. Unless you encrypt all storage with a strong password ( n…

Or it's just the cops, and unlike a password or pin or pattern, they can actually physically force your authentication out of you with a single finger press.

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We're talking about it, aren't we? We haven't forgotten this issue, distracted like children by the latest shiny toy. Even in the face of the things that traditionally kill news stories, we're talking about it. Change starts by making enough people aware of and angry about the issue that the politicians can't afford to support these programs any more. If we're just distracted the next time $TECH_TOY or $NATURAL_DISAS…

Look HN is not a US-only site. For those of us in the other 200 odd countries it really is boring as hell to have to wade through your pointless, unsubstantiated paranoia.

> For those of us in the other 200 odd countries it really is boring as hell to have to wade through your pointless, unsubstantiated paranoia.

Speak for yourself, not for the rest of us, please.

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For 2, the apps have no reason to see a fingerprint hash, only an authenticated identity.

How does it work now when you have to type in your iTunes password to authorize an in-app purchase? I thought the password got hashed and sent out to Apple's servers to authenticate? If so, wouldn't a new fingerprint based password have to do the same thing?

I think they would implement a password manager, and instead of a master password ,they'll use fingerprints/fingerprints-hash

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Yes. And how exactly do we check this? Why is it that we can still trust Apple? For all we know, the data gets sent directly to the NSA or, if it doesn't, there might be some secret backdoor that will make the device send the data at a later point. The last round of leaks was specifically talking about backdoors with all bigger US companies in order to circumvent encryption. That's what I means by "we have to conside…

This is incorrect - we do not know any particular products which are backdoored. edit: Also, there is a difference between a subtle crypto vulnerability and sending data to a server that, according to the announcement, is designed to be protected in its own enclave and never sent anywhere. The latter would be far more obvious in the code and easier to spot.

> The latter would be far more obvious in the code and easier to spot.

But we can't see the code. And it's far from certain you'd be able to pick it up through watching data packages.

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How odd, I feel the opposite, re: vision... Google is leading the way with progressive developments in many varied fields. Expecting more today from Tim Cook, the Apple announcement left me flat. Understand, that while I'm a long time Apple user, my Android phone(s) have offered features to which Apple is still playing catch-up. Apple is the reactionary these days; they may have introduced the iPhone as a ground-brea…

To echo r00fus, Apple's visions are more tangible to the everyday consumer - or at least better elucidated. Apple is the master of "segmentation" - i.e.: identifying a pain point or desired experience, and building it. TouchID, for instance, solves a problem - passwords suck. "Here's a simple, frictionless way around it, that incidentally will be powering all of your apple-conduit payments inside of a year." That's a…

If TouchID is adopted by 95% of all user I wonder if iPhones will still be a worthy target for average thiefs?

I think you can't reset or jailbreak a locked even today.

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