Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by wmoxam » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:13 AM UTC

cwilson wrote: post #81

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Apple specifically stated that your fingerprint is stored and encrypted only on the A7 chip, and not iCloud or anywhere else. It's mentioned in the video as well: http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/videos/#video-touch

So what?

How many webapps have encypted and stored their users password "only on their own servers", to later have them leaked via combination of exploit in 3rd party software that allowed the download of their DB and a little brute force?

Only difference on an iPhone is that there are literally 100s of thousand of apps that can possibly be exploited

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by oneeyedpigeon » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:13 AM UTC

sliverstorm wrote: post #266

afterburner wrote: post #226

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First I've heard of it, but I'm not American. Is this really true?

It could depend on the state, but in America a driver's license is basically the de-facto form of ID. So, sometime back in the 50's or something, I believe fingerprints started to be taken as part of getting your license so that your fingerprints could be traced back to you for crime purposes. Similar to how in some states when you purchase a firearm, you are required to give the state a spent shell so that the state…

"When" you purchase a firearm?! Only in America ...

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by spangled » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:19 AM UTC

samstave wrote: post #564

anchorsteam wrote: post #545

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He did no such thing. Making a passing reference to the NSA whenever remotely possible is not discussion, let alone action. Perhaps we could leave such talk to the submissions that are actually about the NSA? Believe it or not, many of us are already familliar with the topic; as we are of Jesus.

> But you are accomplishing absolutely nothing here. Being annoying and ineffective doesn't help your cause. Do you know that Jesus loves you and he wants to save your soul? To quote him. Please explain how he "did no such thing"

He's talking about this submission, not this site. There are dozens and dozens of other submissions where NSA discussion is more on-topic, and anybody here is free to submit their own article on the topic for discussion. That way, people that want to discuss the NSA at that moment can do so, and people that want to talk about something else can do so, too.

To put it another way: the problem is not the topic. It's the tactic of derailing every other topic that people want to talk about just because you think something else is too important to be ignored. That tactic, as well-intended as it might be, has a history of driving good users away from once-good fora precisely because it's so annoying to not be able to talk about anything else.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by Alterlife » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:21 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #455

therandomguy wrote: post #329

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As much as Asia loves gold they HATE fake gold.

Which one is the iphone? It would certainly be easy to have some real gold on it.

Speaking as an Indian, "real gold" is the kind you can take to a jewelry shop and sell if things get rough... or exchange for other "real gold".

ie: 22 Karat.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by huwr » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:22 AM UTC

evan_ wrote: post #567

mncolinlee wrote: post #470

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Does that make Apple the chicken in this metaphor?

Yes- the chicken produces the egg

But the trouble is we'll need a egg to get a chicken.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by marknow » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:24 AM UTC

rodedwards wrote: post #516

marknow wrote: post #127

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How odd, I feel the opposite, re: vision... Google is leading the way with progressive developments in many varied fields. Expecting more today from Tim Cook, the Apple announcement left me flat. Understand, that while I'm a long time Apple user, my Android phone(s) have offered features to which Apple is still playing catch-up. Apple is the reactionary these days; they may have introduced the iPhone as a ground-brea…

To echo r00fus, Apple's visions are more tangible to the everyday consumer - or at least better elucidated. Apple is the master of "segmentation" - i.e.: identifying a pain point or desired experience, and building it. TouchID, for instance, solves a problem - passwords suck. "Here's a simple, frictionless way around it, that incidentally will be powering all of your apple-conduit payments inside of a year." That's a…

Well said, and I agree that the TouchID will be something that resonates with many consumers.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by beedogs » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:25 AM UTC

stanleydrew wrote: post #213

cheald wrote: post #171

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Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

" More snark. This isn't helpful."

You know what? Neither are derisive comments that imply the NSA is not, in fact, violating our privacy. You'd have to be out of your goddamned mind to actually think they've stopped.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by shaaaaawn » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:26 AM UTC

As security enthusiasts, rather than being paranoid about fingerprint scanners shouldn't we rejoice the possibility of two factor authentication (passcode + finger) it can bring to smartphones?

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by beedogs » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:27 AM UTC

melling wrote: post #302

cheald wrote: post #239

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I'm not snarking at all. I'm observing that comments about the NSA are entirely apropos given the current climate we live in. Yes, you're right, at this point, it would take something extremely radical to convince us that the NSA isn't spying on us anymore. Therefore, we should expect comments about the NSA and spying to become a part of the common dialog regarding technology and personal information. Asking them to…

But you are accomplishing absolutely nothing here. Being annoying and ineffective doesn't help your cause. Do you know that Jesus loves you and he wants to save your soul? You might as we'll be discussing religion or politics here. This is not the place. I heard your warning the first ten times.

You're right: this is an Apple circlejerk. Let's stay on-topic, people!!!

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by krallja » Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 12:28 AM UTC

jasomill wrote: post #570

baddox wrote: post #513

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Why would you believe that the radios are actually off when in airplane mode?

Generally speaking, because some regulatory agency or other would refuse or revoke certification of a device that has a "disable radio" feature that doesn't work. I wouldn't assume that a device is incapable of accumulating GPS tracking information in "airplane mode" and forwarding it when the radio is turned back on, however, or that intelligence and law enforcement agencies would never quietly disable "airplane mod…

It's fun to see that you trust your government to regulate the "disable radio" feature!