Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by sillysaurus2 » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 8:58 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #412

melling wrote: post #302

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But you are accomplishing absolutely nothing here. Being annoying and ineffective doesn't help your cause. Do you know that Jesus loves you and he wants to save your soul? You might as we'll be discussing religion or politics here. This is not the place. I heard your warning the first ten times.

You called discussing the NSA spying on everyone, subverting the American system as well as the faith in the constitution similar to evangelising that Jesus loves you? Wow - that has to be hands down the absolute most ignorant, ridiculous and bullshit comment I have ever read on HN. This is The Best place to be talking about the National Security Agency Technologically spying on everyone, building in parallel infra a…

You should edit your comment to remove the capital letters. It's against the rules.

Your comment makes a good point, but it's too hysterical.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by gnaffle » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 8:58 PM UTC

vinceguidry wrote: post #348

gfodor wrote: post #95

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Serious question -- what is the big deal if someone gets your fingerprints? I can't think of the last time my fingerprint was used as some infallible method of identification, if ever. If the spooks want it, they already have it. I'd rather someone get their hands on my fingerprint than my passport, driver's license, and credit cards, and it seems much more difficult to steal than those things. I think the fingerprin…

My question: Is digitized fingerprint information gathered from a given device useful? As in, could you run the prints gathered from an iPhone against, say, a DMV database? My intuition tells me that you couldn't. And that would gravely limit their utility value to the government.

My guess is that if the sensor works as well as they claim, including 360 degree orientation, it has to store a pretty complete profile of the fingerprint.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by garretruh » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 8:58 PM UTC

edwyn wrote: post #315

It seems that the 5S and the 5C support China Mobile's LTE bands. Is that what will be announced tomorrow at the Apple event in China? http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/

The China event was only "tomorrow" so far as Beijing is 15 hours ahead of California. It was just a live stream of the announcement IIRC.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by sillysaurus2 » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 8:59 PM UTC

mrb wrote: post #351

drinchev wrote: post #107

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I'm pretty sure, when they jailbreak it the truth will come out. And I doubt Apple would take the risk for lying about that.

Well, as a computer/network security professional, historically there are plenty examples of companies who have lied about the security of their systems (eg. "without your password, our flash drives cannot be decrypted" when in fact the key is not related to the password and stored in plaintext in a sector on the drive).

Would you be able to give some examples? I enjoy reading those types of stories.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by Dylan16807 » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 8:59 PM UTC

therandomguy wrote: post #329

twistedpair wrote: post #281

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"Gold" has much more of an appeal to many Asian populations than the US given that Asia has been the cause of exploding actual gold demand. In the US I know few people with garish gold widgets. However, in Asia where the Apple product is a status symbol, the gold iPhone 5S (not the lump of coal 5C) will certainly bolster the image of the premium version.

As much as Asia loves gold they HATE fake gold.

Which one is the iphone? It would certainly be easy to have some real gold on it.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by cpher » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 9:00 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #95

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Serious question -- what is the big deal if someone gets your fingerprints? I can't think of the last time my fingerprint was used as some infallible method of identification, if ever. If the spooks want it, they already have it. I'd rather someone get their hands on my fingerprint than my passport, driver's license, and credit cards, and it seems much more difficult to steal than those things. I think the fingerprin…

The Feds have had my fingerprints for 8 years, because of a foreign adoption. In fact, they have two versions because my first fingerprints "expired" because it took so long for the adoption to happen. So they have an extra $800 from us-- Thanks USA! (tm).

Plus, as others have mentioned below, most conceal carry firearm permits will require it, at least here in Illinois.

So, the govt. already knows that I'm a registered Republican, they have my fingerprints (twice), they know I have a FOID (Firearm ID in Illinois), they know my travel patterns (via airlines, gas stations, etc).

I think the last of my worries is some fingerprint scanner on a smartphone. At least I won't have to type in my PIN to unlock it while driving...

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by jordanthoms » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 9:00 PM UTC

ececconi wrote: post #177

The USA already has all 10 of my fingerprints. When I was going through the process of becoming a permanent resident, I had to scan it into a machine. Every time I come back into the USA after coming back from a trip outside the country, I have to scan multiple of my prints.

Same boat here. Not exactly keen to start using them for authentication now!

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by UnoriginalGuy » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 9:00 PM UTC

ececconi wrote: post #177

The USA already has all 10 of my fingerprints. When I was going through the process of becoming a permanent resident, I had to scan it into a machine. Every time I come back into the USA after coming back from a trip outside the country, I have to scan multiple of my prints.

Everyone who enters the US has to get their fingerprints scanned (even tourists), it has been that way for many many years.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 9:01 PM UTC

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by swamp40 » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 9:02 PM UTC

alexcroox wrote: post #366

swamp40 wrote: post #147

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Well, there has to be some kind of interaction with a Point Of Sale device. Either Bluetooth 4.0 or NFC would suffice. NFC has enough Point Of Sale inroads (esp. in the rest of the world besides the US), that it is a more natural choice. It's possible Apple didn't want to radically redesign the 5S case and internals in the manner necessary to include NFC. But if Apple hasn't implemented NFC by next year's redesign, t…

Didn't Apple say they wouldn't consider NFC until the technology has matured enough not to hammer the battery life so much. As much as I want NFC I'm inclined to agree, if I wanted terrible battery life I'd buy an Android.

The battery life is fine nowadays, it's a mature technology.

They now send out a small pulse a few times a second, and then watch the decay on their own antenna.

A change in the decay rate means another resonant antenna is nearby and stealing its energy - so then they power up fully to check things out.

Apple always says stuff like that until they're ready to unveil what they've been working on.

Bigger screens, Hi-Def displays, etc. - all right out of the same playbook. You can't trust exactly what they say, because they have their own agenda.