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Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by nmerouze »

pothibo wrote: post #58
nmerouze wrote: post #51

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I know this video and he's wrong (HFCS is bad, simple sugar and fruit fructose are not). I would recommend you to read articles on http://dannyroddy.com http://raypeat.com http://andrewkimblog.com backed by a lot of studies showing fructose is awesome.

I'm appalled by your lack of judgment. You dismiss the recording of a university class made by a Ph.D in Endocrinology that worked for 20+ years against the whole industry (which shows resilience and belief). On the other hand you suggest to read articles on 3 websites that looks scammy at best? I feel insulted.

I could return the compliment.

And I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm saying HFCS is indeed toxic, not sugar and fructose (proven by lots of studies made by PhDs with years of experience). So he's partially right.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by s_q_b »

cliffu wrote: post #68
s_q_b wrote: post #33

We need a social-shift that treats sugary drinks more like we treat alcohol. I'm not saying let's only sell Coca-Cola to 21-year-olds, but rather that the social stigma should be different. A sugary beverage should be a celebratory drink, reserved for special occasions, like beer or wine, not a staple of our diet.

I think your point is muddied by "celebratory" and "special occasions", which is too bad because it's a good point; but it's going to be lost on people who have a beer or glass of wine with dinner, even though we probably all agree that drinking a "big gulp" beer at work is inappropriate and maybe we should feel that way about colas too.

You're probably right. Dinner to me falls into the same category. Just as there's nothing wrong with a beer or a glass of wine with dinner, there's nothing wrong with a cold glass of Coke by the pool. It's the failure to socially recognize the dangers of excess in sugary drinks that's problematic.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by [deleted] »

pyre wrote: post #46
crazygringo wrote: post #43

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Heck, I'm amazed when I see people drink a 24oz orange juice. I mean, are you ever going to eat that many oranges?! For the amount of sugar, you might as well be drinking a Coke...

There is a difference between juice and a smoothie though. Smoothie still has the fiber in it, while orange juice is mostly just juice even if you get it with 'lots of pulp.'

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Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by sudomal »

iamshs wrote: post #25
jakobe wrote: post #12

It's often quite surprising to read the ingredient list on these smoothies. They consist largely of apple juice concentrate, and rather small amounts of the fruits advertised on the front.

This is what I would like to know more about. Other day I picked up a 32oz smoothie, which said this is equivalent to 40 strawberries, 1 banana and 6 apples. How is that possible in only $5? Do they get fruits so cheap to make up for other costs? And true enough, there was strawberry puree, banana puree but apple juice concentrate and apple puree in it.

In an ideal situation you process the fruit locally before it is transported. That's why basic orange juice is cheap, it is processed into a concentrate block before being shipped to the destination.

As others have said, there is huge savings from buying wholesale too.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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pyre wrote: post #45
jonnathanson wrote: post #5

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It seems obvious, but you'd be amazed how many people don't do the mental math. I've actually had this conversation while waiting in line with someone as he got a Jamba Juice. Friend: "Why aren't you getting one?" Me: "Too much sugar. I'm trying to eat better these days." Friend: "What?! This is a smoothie! There's nothing healthier!" Me: "But you just saw them grind up 8 oranges, 5 bananas, and 2 pounds of strawberr…

> "too much of a good thing" logic. How many people are having two or three smoothies a day vs. just a single smoothie? How many of those people would eat the amount of fruit in that smoothie over the course of a normal day? There might be something to be said for getting your daily dose of fruit at once instead of spread out over the day, but I doubt that we're talking about people that are overdosing on fruit. > su…

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Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by pyre »

kareemm wrote: post #59
pyre wrote: post #45

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> "too much of a good thing" logic. How many people are having two or three smoothies a day vs. just a single smoothie? How many of those people would eat the amount of fruit in that smoothie over the course of a normal day? There might be something to be said for getting your daily dose of fruit at once instead of spread out over the day, but I doubt that we're talking about people that are overdosing on fruit. > su…

Clearly comparing your smoothie to Jamba Juice's fruit bowl is not the same thing.

Well, Jamba Juice also doesn't fit "8 oranges, 5 bananas, and 2 pounds of strawberries" into a single smoothie either.
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