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Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by JohnTHaller » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:12 PM UTC

s_q_b wrote: post #33

We need a social-shift that treats sugary drinks more like we treat alcohol. I'm not saying let's only sell Coca-Cola to 21-year-olds, but rather that the social stigma should be different. A sugary beverage should be a celebratory drink, reserved for special occasions, like beer or wine, not a staple of our diet.

Unfortunately, the 'junk drink' companies have worked VERY hard to get soda et al to be treated as every day, every meal drinks. Heck, Coke was working for a while to come up with a way to have every home have a Coke faucet in the kitchen next to water many years back.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by collin128 » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:13 PM UTC

vinchuco wrote: post #53

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I don't get about the soylent thing. You can walk into any drug store or corner store and buy a few canned foods that together offer complete nutrition. How the heck is mixing a special powdered drink any easier than opening a can of oysters and a can of sauerkraut and downing the contents? There isn't even a glass to wash with the latter. There is some sort of odd cultural glitch going on in favor of dr…

> How the heck is mixing a special powdered drink any easier Surprising as it may sound, making it just a little harder to prepare can make us value it more (we tend to value our own work). I remember reading about a case of one batter mix that ended up selling more than the "just add water" mixes by asking in the instructions to add the eggs and milk. > a can of oysters and a can of sauerkraut that sounds like an aw…

It was Betty Crocker's cake mix. Cakes are made for celebrating, so making it too easy lessened the experience of baking something to make someone else happy. People felt like it was too easy without the eggs, like they were taking a shortcut.

Or so the study says. I can't find the source from my notes.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by kps » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:15 PM UTC

vinchuco wrote: post #53

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I don't get about the soylent thing. You can walk into any drug store or corner store and buy a few canned foods that together offer complete nutrition. How the heck is mixing a special powdered drink any easier than opening a can of oysters and a can of sauerkraut and downing the contents? There isn't even a glass to wash with the latter. There is some sort of odd cultural glitch going on in favor of dr…

> How the heck is mixing a special powdered drink any easier Surprising as it may sound, making it just a little harder to prepare can make us value it more (we tend to value our own work). I remember reading about a case of one batter mix that ended up selling more than the "just add water" mixes by asking in the instructions to add the eggs and milk. > a can of oysters and a can of sauerkraut that sounds like an aw…

I believed this until your post prompted me to look it up, but apparently it's not true: http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/cakemix.asp

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by a8da6b0c91d » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:19 PM UTC

pothibo wrote: post #58

nmerouze wrote: post #51

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I know this video and he's wrong (HFCS is bad, simple sugar and fruit fructose are not). I would recommend you to read articles on http://dannyroddy.com http://raypeat.com http://andrewkimblog.com backed by a lot of studies showing fructose is awesome.

I'm appalled by your lack of judgment. You dismiss the recording of a university class made by a Ph.D in Endocrinology that worked for 20+ years against the whole industry (which shows resilience and belief). On the other hand you suggest to read articles on 3 websites that looks scammy at best? I feel insulted.

Stephan Guyenet is a phd and he also kinda poo-poos the whole "sugar and fructose are toxic" thing. The problem with fructose is just that it's so yummy to humans that its modern ubiquity causes people to overeat.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by dodyg » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:23 PM UTC

adamdicarlo wrote: post #38

dodyg wrote: post #24

Fruits contain fibers that are beneficial for your digestive system and control the spike of sugar level in you body. If you put them in a blender, you destroy much of the fibers and one of the major benefit of eating fruit.

Does chewing partly destroy the fibers, too?

Yes but not to the extent of a machine. We don't chew our food to mush.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by a8da6b0c91d » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:23 PM UTC

kps wrote: post #63

vinchuco wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How the heck is mixing a special powdered drink any easier Surprising as it may sound, making it just a little harder to prepare can make us value it more (we tend to value our own work). I remember reading about a case of one batter mix that ended up selling more than the "just add water" mixes by asking in the instructions to add the eggs and milk. > a can of oysters and a can of sauerkraut that sounds like an aw…

I believed this until your post prompted me to look it up, but apparently it's not true: http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/cakemix.asp

Perhaps this ignores that powdered eggs do in fact taste horrible compared to fresh. They're also apparently quite bad for you (oxysterols).

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by pothibo » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:32 PM UTC

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #64

pothibo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm appalled by your lack of judgment. You dismiss the recording of a university class made by a Ph.D in Endocrinology that worked for 20+ years against the whole industry (which shows resilience and belief). On the other hand you suggest to read articles on 3 websites that looks scammy at best? I feel insulted.

Stephan Guyenet is a phd and he also kinda poo-poos the whole "sugar and fructose are toxic" thing. The problem with fructose is just that it's so yummy to humans that its modern ubiquity causes people to overeat.

Obviously his theory is being challenged and there might be some valid reason why it is. I'm not an expert in that field.

The guy saying Lustig is "wrong" was just full of it and I called him on that.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by cliffu » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:39 PM UTC

s_q_b wrote: post #33

We need a social-shift that treats sugary drinks more like we treat alcohol. I'm not saying let's only sell Coca-Cola to 21-year-olds, but rather that the social stigma should be different. A sugary beverage should be a celebratory drink, reserved for special occasions, like beer or wine, not a staple of our diet.

I think your point is muddied by "celebratory" and "special occasions", which is too bad because it's a good point; but it's going to be lost on people who have a beer or glass of wine with dinner, even though we probably all agree that drinking a "big gulp" beer at work is inappropriate and maybe we should feel that way about colas too.

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by dodyg » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:43 PM UTC

technel wrote: post #32

dodyg wrote: post #24

Fruits contain fibers that are beneficial for your digestive system and control the spike of sugar level in you body. If you put them in a blender, you destroy much of the fibers and one of the major benefit of eating fruit.

Blending speeds up digestion and reduces satiety versus eating whole fruit, but (unlike juicing) I haven't seen any evidence that it destroys fiber. Do you have a reference?

"Moreover, the process of blending fruit destroys its latticework of insoluble fiber, whose job it is to slow food’s digestion and absorption from the intestine into the blood, explains Robert Lustig, a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of California-San Francisco"

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/the_kids/2013/03/pure...

Re: Smoothies and fruit juices are a new risk to health

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Post by w1ntermute » Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 5:45 PM UTC

jjsz wrote: post #34

driveby_bye_bye wrote: post #19

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Read wintermute's quote. ggp probably meant the word "jelly" instead of the word "jello". No one is contesting the word "jam". Don't reply to this comment.

The scenario is that a US foreigner mentioned we use jello for jam. We use the word jam. Don't reply to this comment.

You're missing the point. Regardless of whether "jam" is used, so is "jelly" (not "jello"). I am American and I use both "jam" and "jelly". There's probably variation in usage throughout the country.

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