Live data from Hacker News

London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

the-libertarian.co.uk

101–110 of 182 posts

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#101
post #85

Is this satire? It reads like satire. "I must do something. In the last year he has become more and more enchanted by antiestablishment ways of thinking and has even said that there is an inherent risk that every government is corrupt."

It seems sincere to me. And also blithely unaware that the student has a point.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#102
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eastern Europe? Could you please elaborate or provide some example to illustrate what exactly you mean? I am from Eastern Europe (Czech Rep.) and I used to live in UK. Generally I would say that current Eastern Europe is way more open/tolerant/apathetic to 'unpopular opinions' than UK.

I don't have an interest in filling a post with links to articles about the freedom of speech issues or homophobia in Belarus, the Ukraine, Lithuania, Romania, or what not, but they are easily found. For starters, though, Belarus, the Ukraine, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Greece and Albania aren't even in the top 80 countries for press freedom: http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html However, I had to hit Wikipe…

Don't trust everything you see on Wikipedia.

I went to school in one of the countries you mentioned. There is a firm cultural policy there that the teachers' authority ends at the doors of the school. Barring some extreme cases (e.g. underage teenagers starring in porn movies), a teacher doing something like what's mentioned in the article would result in significant public outcry, on all levels, exactly on the grounds of free speech.

The merits, policies, methods and value of schools, colleges and even individual professors are matters of public debate with no restriction. Attempts of imposing sanctions on pupils for expressing views of discontent with institutions do occur, but are isolated and rarely carried out, due to -- you've guessed it -- public outcry.

Perhaps most symbolic for this: after the fall of the Communist regime, school uniforms quickly fell out of favour and are quite rare after 4th grade or so even today. And where they are in place, the rules against not wearing them are rarely enforced for precisely the same reasons. It's all nice on paper, but as soon as someone decides a kid should be expelled for not wearing those particular clothes, things usually get ugly.

Press freedom, corruption and the like are not good general indicatives for the population's values. There's a large gap between general indices and individual behaviour. [Edit:] Communities tend to find ways around things, especially youngsters. Press freedom is the simplest example there: precisely because everyone knows press is basically a propaganda agency, there's general distrust of it, and people are suspicious of what they read in the newspaper. Same goes for teachers: after a long (political-driven) culture of authoritarianism in schools, people are very suspicious of school staff extending their authority past the realm of schools.

It also works this way with the generation gap. Precisely because younger people (particularly in urban areas) perceive their parents as closed-minded, they obstinately try to exercise open-mindedness, or to at least adopt a more indifferent stance, with e.g most teenagers there either supporting gay marriage, or simply not "getting what the big deal is", if people want to marry, they marry. (This is itself a symptom of something else, but I digress).

tl;dr There's at least one place on the fringe of Eastern Europe where a school principal behaving like this would generally end up with a lot of angry parents on his doorstep the following morning.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#103
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But as long as that sabotage severely curtails his future, do they care?

Would it? 2013 says it's pretty hard to curtail one's future. No single entity controls it, there's no gatekeeper. They just show their own misery.

> 2013 says it's pretty hard to _further_ curtail one's future

FTFY

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#104
post #7

Doesn't sound like the kind of teacher I'd like in my university Asked what had first inclined him to contact the police, Mr. Szemalikowski said “the fact that Kinnan has mentioned the ideologies of anarchism and individualism on this blog.” Digging himself even deeper, the headteacher added, “I must do something. In the last year he has become more and more enchanted by antiestablishment ways of thinking and has eve…

Isn't mentioning that someone mentioned something also mentioning it?

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Modern communication and media makes it easier to single out an individual from the flock and take them down.

No, that really has nothing to do with it. Organizations are still rampant with the following: - yes-men, sycophants - cronyism/nepotism/favoritism - cutthroat, bad culture - etc

And my point is it's easier to piss all over their party now.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#106
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in the section defining cultural racism: Those aspects of society that overtly and covertly attribute value and normality to white people and Whiteness, and devalue, stereotype, and label people of color as “other”, different, less than, or render them invisible. Examples of these norms include defining white skin tones as nude or flesh colored, having a future time orientation, emphasizing individualism as oppo…

having a future time orientation What does that one even mean?

[deleted]

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#107
post #94
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lawyers are expected to win. If you want to hire a lawyer because of their decorum go right ahead.

The judge will enforce the decorum of his courtroom, and you don't want to be a lawyer on the receiving end of that.

The decorum each judge sets is their own, and it's not necessarily overly formal, especially if it isn't required by the rules of court.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#108
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Canada this week, my girlfriend is required to visit the dean of a [top Canadian law school] for calling a girl a "bitch" on Twitter. Backstory is interesting, because the girl had bullied her in person at school. GF never identified the girl on Twitter only saying "Some bitch blah blah at school today". But because she mentioned the school name, the dean found out and now wants to talk to her. There's apparently…

I don't think expecting basic good judgment of those in law school is 'scary'. Further it is worth mentioning that hateful speech is not protected in Canada, and while you could say that it was but a response, such a tweet is almost certainly in violation of several new anti-'cyber' bullying restrictions.

hateful speech is not protected in Canada

How do they prove that a speech is hateful instead of merely being ordinarily contemptuous?

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#109
post #45
post #34

This sort of thing is alive and well in US schools, too. The official policy of the Seattle Public School system is to stamp out racism in all its forms, and notice how many forms there are. (Note in particular the Cultural Racism section that includes, "emphasizing individualism as opposed to a more collective ideology" as a form of racism that, by official policy, is to be stamped out by the government education sy…

In Canada this week, my girlfriend is required to visit the dean of a [top Canadian law school] for calling a girl a "bitch" on Twitter. Backstory is interesting, because the girl had bullied her in person at school. GF never identified the girl on Twitter only saying "Some bitch blah blah at school today". But because she mentioned the school name, the dean found out and now wants to talk to her. There's apparently…

Old Soviet joke:

"The Soviet Union is just like the United States. In the US, you can criticize the American President. In the USSR, you can also criticize the American President!"

Post reply on HN