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London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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The Peter Principle and Dunning–Kruger effect would disagree.

Not really. Modern communication and media makes it easier to single out an individual from the flock and take them down.

No, that really has nothing to do with it. Organizations are still rampant with the following:

- yes-men, sycophants

- cronyism/nepotism/favoritism

- cutthroat, bad culture

- etc

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post #60

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Not so much laws but there's certainly a lot more stigma to holding unpopular opinions (or even freely expressing 'distasteful' but popular opinions, cf. responses to many UKIP supporters) in the UK compared to the USA - nowhere on the scale as in Russia or Eastern Europe though.

Eastern Europe? Could you please elaborate or provide some example to illustrate what exactly you mean? I am from Eastern Europe (Czech Rep.) and I used to live in UK. Generally I would say that current Eastern Europe is way more open/tolerant/apathetic to 'unpopular opinions' than UK.

Ukraine has its moments.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#93
post #78

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Where, specifically, is the quoted text?

It's in the section defining cultural racism: Those aspects of society that overtly and covertly attribute value and normality to white people and Whiteness, and devalue, stereotype, and label people of color as “other”, different, less than, or render them invisible. Examples of these norms include defining white skin tones as nude or flesh colored, having a future time orientation, emphasizing individualism as oppo…

having a future time orientation

What does that one even mean?

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#94
post #87

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Just wanting to talk to her does not seem inappropriate. Lawyers in particular are expected to chose their words carefully and keep decorum. Perhaps it's a teachable moment.

Lawyers are expected to win. If you want to hire a lawyer because of their decorum go right ahead.

The judge will enforce the decorum of his courtroom, and you don't want to be a lawyer on the receiving end of that.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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post #89

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I don't think expecting basic good judgment of those in law school is 'scary'. Further it is worth mentioning that hateful speech is not protected in Canada, and while you could say that it was but a response, such a tweet is almost certainly in violation of several new anti-'cyber' bullying restrictions.

So in your world "Some bitch at school did x" falls under hateful speech/cyber-bullying? Well, I guess by now we have to prosecute half of the YouTube and Twitter population. After all all those "first" posters are most certainly making a highly discriminatory remark against all those coming "second".

No, stfu, my "world" isn't quite so black and white: The choice isn't between prosecution or free-for-all, but if you're trying to incite freedom of expression over hateful speech, all while bringing disrepute upon a law school, you probably aren't going to get very far.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in the section defining cultural racism: Those aspects of society that overtly and covertly attribute value and normality to white people and Whiteness, and devalue, stereotype, and label people of color as “other”, different, less than, or render them invisible. Examples of these norms include defining white skin tones as nude or flesh colored, having a future time orientation, emphasizing individualism as oppo…

having a future time orientation What does that one even mean?

Here is a wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronemics

I am not going to pretend to be able to understand it, but this part seems to be the most lucid explaination:

"Just as monochronic and polychronic cultures have different time perspectives, understanding the time orientation of a culture is critical to becoming better able to successfully handle diplomatic situations. Americans, for instance have a future orientation. Hall indicates that for Americans “tomorrow is more important" and that they "are oriented almost entirely toward the future” (Cohen, 2004, p. 35). The future-focused orientation attributes to at least some of the concern that Americans have with “addressing immediate issues and moving on to new challenges” (Cohen, 2004, p. 35)."

So... maybe a "future time orientation" is a "What's done is done."/"Let's do better in the future." attitude? I am guessing that the connection between this and "racism" comes up when discussing reparations.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#97
post #45

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In Canada this week, my girlfriend is required to visit the dean of a [top Canadian law school] for calling a girl a "bitch" on Twitter. Backstory is interesting, because the girl had bullied her in person at school. GF never identified the girl on Twitter only saying "Some bitch blah blah at school today". But because she mentioned the school name, the dean found out and now wants to talk to her. There's apparently…

I don't think expecting basic good judgment of those in law school is 'scary'. Further it is worth mentioning that hateful speech is not protected in Canada, and while you could say that it was but a response, such a tweet is almost certainly in violation of several new anti-'cyber' bullying restrictions.

I think it all depends on the contract between the girl and the school. Did she agree to such restrictions on a 24/7 basis?

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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I think the story has completely wrong focus. The problem is not the teachers actions (no matter how despicable), but the effects of those actions. I mean if a teacher is able to "ruin" someones life by making couple of phonecalls, then therein lies the problem. In a ideal society the teacher would be free to voice his concerns, and if those concerns were baseless (as seems to be the case here) then the voicing should have no effect on the pupils life.

Of course there wasn't really any concrete effects mentioned in the story that had already happened, so hopefully this was just a sensationalist story and the uni and police will ignore the teacher. In fact the story heavily smells like an attempt to crucify the teacher while no damage/harm was actually done to the pupil.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#99
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Canada this week, my girlfriend is required to visit the dean of a [top Canadian law school] for calling a girl a "bitch" on Twitter. Backstory is interesting, because the girl had bullied her in person at school. GF never identified the girl on Twitter only saying "Some bitch blah blah at school today". But because she mentioned the school name, the dean found out and now wants to talk to her. There's apparently…

Just wanting to talk to her does not seem inappropriate. Lawyers in particular are expected to chose their words carefully and keep decorum. Perhaps it's a teachable moment.

Come on, we've all been to school. Unless it's your graduation party, the dean never wants to "just talk", like, you know, grab a beer or two together.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

#100
post #37

I'm disgusted by the head teacher's nosy behavior. I also think the student is an insufferable person according to his blog posts [1]. He's one of those people who try to use loaded words like "anarchism" and "individualism" to justify annoying or selfish behavior. Kind of like Galt-wannabe libertarians who hide being the word "liberty" to give credence to social darwinism. [1] http://hampsteadtrash.blogspot.co.uk/20…

I also think the student is an insufferable person according to his blog posts [1].

Yes, many teenagers are. And we should be glad - it means they are growing, thinking for themselves, transforming.

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