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Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by harlanji »

6d0debc071 wrote: post #43
jessaustin wrote: post #32

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That's the reason ing , but to me it just proves that drunk driving shouldn't be a crime separate from poor driving. (I guess it would be OK as an aggravating factor for other traffic crimes.) Someone who drives acceptably while drunk drives acceptably, period.

I don't know. You can't, unfortunately, stop everyone who drives poorly. Too many people do - and even if they just got off with points on their license, quickly enough they'd be banned and then out of work. Seriously, I can drive for fifteen minutes and see dozens of people who are driving too close together or committing some other sin. All those people who, just going into a corner, you see lighting off their brak…

not yet... now, if only we could use the video record of our driving for the trip prior to the traffic stop to determine if we were driving reasonably... I'll just leave this here: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/146909-darpa-shows-off-1-...

for better or worse, it's not far off. imagine we could cross reference some street level CCTV (license plate, maybe gate and facial recognition) and "select driver_dl from trips where driving_ability barely fiction (maybe not at all?), but it won't be hard forever and they won't need to "stop" many people in the sense that is hard to do, for much longer.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by jongraehl »

WayneDB wrote: post #30
withad wrote: post #25

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I found this article - http://tvblogs.nationalgeographic.com/2010/07/02/the-end-of-... - which mentions some other cases and claims that Paul Kern didn't sleep... but did close his eyes and rest for a couple of hours each day. The whole thing's setting off some skeptical alarms in my head. I think it's pretty telling that all but one of the examples are unverified and from before 1950, when things like EEGs weren't a…

Prahlad Jani has yet to be debunked and he was observed twice (in 2003, 2010) round the clock for up to 15 days without food and water intake or waste movements. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/International/man-eat-drink/sto... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prahlad_Jani Very credulous. But, as the wise man says "We'll see." :)

Some people may not realize that rational folk are just humoring spiritual scam artists when we offer to test them. We don't actually waste our time investigating the results of some shoddy trial that doesn't catch them cheating.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by zerooneinfinity »

You know I use to see these articles and think, 'that's not me, I can function just fine with 5-6 hrs and a nap, and it was true, I could function just fine.

What I didn't realize is the long term effects it would have on me, my memory became really bad, I was irritable to the point where I thought that's just who I was and worst of all I started having a really hard time grasping new concepts.

I've been getting 7-10 hrs of sleep a night for about two months now and I already noticed a drastic difference in my brains performance.

PSA: Those extra couple of hours of staying awake aren't worth it guys!

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by tokenadult »

WayneDB wrote: post #40
mayanksinghal wrote: post #35

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Both studies were done by the same scientist who seems to have other stakes in the process than just academic curiosity.

The chief scientist, Sudhir Shah, was the same each time and you're right that he is "an ardent proponent of Jain philosophy" according to his wikipedia page. However, both tests were done with other researchers (in 2010, with "a team of 35 researchers from the Indian Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences (DIPAS) as well as other organizations") in the largest hospital chain in one of the most industria…

History has proven that "impossible" is just a point of view and that many things widely believed to be impossible in the past are completely doable.

To the contrary, history has shown that many things are just plain impossible, and no change of state of mind will do anything to make them possible.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by Daniel_Newby »

enraged_camel wrote: post #23
sejje wrote: post #4

I'm a bit surprised that .08 BAC corresponds to 70% ability. That means that in many cases, a good-but-legally-drunk driver will be vastly out-performing a terrible-but-sober driver. I'm just glad my car will drive itself soon.

>>That means that in many cases, a good-but-legally-drunk driver will be vastly out-performing a terrible-but-sober driver. Not really. Drunk-driving is illegal due to increased reaction times, not decreased driving ability. You can be drunk and properly follow the traffic laws, but if you run into a situation that requires quick reflexes you're much more likely to not react quickly enough. Whereas terrible drivers a…

I bet the reason is unawareness of poor reaction times. I have found sluggish video game vehicles pretty easy to drive.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by Wingman4l7 »

iopq wrote: post #34
enraged_camel wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>That means that in many cases, a good-but-legally-drunk driver will be vastly out-performing a terrible-but-sober driver. Not really. Drunk-driving is illegal due to increased reaction times, not decreased driving ability. You can be drunk and properly follow the traffic laws, but if you run into a situation that requires quick reflexes you're much more likely to not react quickly enough. Whereas terrible drivers a…

Someone who has a low reaction time overall might have a better reaction time drunk than someone with a reaction time of a dead cow. My friend claims 0.1 reaction time on a game where you have to click your mouse (I believe him because he's a professional gamer so it makes sense), while I score 0.2 at best (which is average) and older people score worse and worse

Hence why some people are fighting the politically unpopular fight to get older people off the road. No one wants to be seen as the one that "stole grandma's freedom".

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by codezero »

The device apparently uses actigraphy, which is super common. It is just measuring movement when sleeping, same as WakeMate (RIP) and Jawbone UP. Besides that I don't see what they are doing that is special except targeting specific sectors that optimize for job safety.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by nitrogen »

WayneDB wrote: post #47
withad wrote: post #39

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That's probably the one I was thinking of when I mentioned people going without water being allowed to bathe. There's quite a few red flags there - just one researcher doing the experiments (despite offers from other teams and noted skeptics like Sanal Edamaraku to investigate), the research never being published in a journal, the fact that he noticeably lost weight over just ten days, the CCTV coverage being incompl…

The first time he was tested, he dropped a small amount of weight and the second time he didn't. Neither test was only done by one scientist and the second test was a much larger fanfare with Indian defense/government researchers present. Bathing was also observed as was gargling (what he spit out was also measured). Even so - these "red flags" come from the same scientists that you don't trust. So, they should not s…

it's been shown time and again that even the smartest people in the world have been dead wrong about what they think they know.

...but everyone else is wrong a lot more often.

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