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AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Burner phones?

They call non-smartphones 'feature phones' and unlike 3g network phones, they all have gps as part of the CDR. LTE has it as well, only 3g doesn't. 3g network stuff uses old PPoE because phone companies are lazy.

You're saying every low-end phone has GPS active, then gets and transmits a fix for every phone call?

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Interesting to note here is that the ATT _gave_ those records "on its own", versus being subpoena via DEA by a judge, something that 99% of judges in their sound mind would have never ever ever agreed on, even in today's world. I had a hard time believing that ATT would have done something like this out of their own free will, as they would have never done anything that could undermine their sales and bottom line (po…

The Telecoms have long given total cooperation in exchange for monopoly privileges in cable and internet.

Carrot before stick.

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Interesting to note here is that the ATT _gave_ those records "on its own", versus being subpoena via DEA by a judge, something that 99% of judges in their sound mind would have never ever ever agreed on, even in today's world. I had a hard time believing that ATT would have done something like this out of their own free will, as they would have never done anything that could undermine their sales and bottom line (po…

Better, Wikipedia a former Qwest (US West/Mountain States T&T, Northwestern Bell, Pacific Northwest Bell) CEO, Joseph Nacchio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio#Qwest

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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So assuming worst case scenario that the DEA actually was able to make a whole bunch of arrests based on this historical data, would we really want to pay to jail that many more inmates? What could be the point of this?

>would we really want to pay to jail that many more inmates

This implies you have any choice in the matter.

Its starkly obvious these days the actual relationship between the US "citizenry" and their government.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and for there to be a war on drugs in the first place. Eliminate the fundamentals, and there should be no issues at all, really.

Then there would be a war on piracy. How would you like it if they kept 20 years of your downloading habits? Do you think that in 20 years time they could find something to incriminate you? And that's why it's so wrong to keep data for so long, and actually be able to use it.

I'm sure the statue of limitations would apply to many of these crimes, so you can't be convicted of downloading Game of Thrones in 20 years.

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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So AT&T kept records for 26 years and counting. Information that includes location of caller. I am very happy drug dealers were caught, but 26 years? There is some serious potential for abuse.

Just read article in depth and found two more significant "features". First one - database build by AT&T can identify if target individual uses multiple phones (So if say I was engineer Joe and wanted to get sell private cell number(s) for Angelina Jolie how much would you pay?). Second - they can identify if you switched to a new number. Even if you threw out your phone. (So speaking of numbers, how much would you p…

>Seriously if AT&T doing this, there is no reason to believe that other providers do not.

The article says AT&T has the data for any telco that uses AT&T switches. This is a little odd, given that the company currently known as AT&T is not the same company that used to manufacture switches; but, if this has been going on for 26 years, I suppose the government would have insisted it continue across corporate splits and mergers.

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This, the Parallel Construction story, and the Patriot act having been principally used for the War on Drugs than terror... has made me consider that the War on Drugs may actually be more dangerous to Liberty than the war on terror. No doubt it's basic premise, that putting a substance into one's own body is a "crime", is a pernicious lie. The War on Terror's pernicious lie is twofold: Terrorism isn't a crime, and th…

Read "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander and then start reading up on the history of civil rights activism and the beginning of the war on drugs

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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So assuming worst case scenario that the DEA actually was able to make a whole bunch of arrests based on this historical data, would we really want to pay to jail that many more inmates? What could be the point of this?

The point could be private prisons and the lobbying $$$$ they funnel to politicians.

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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So assuming worst case scenario that the DEA actually was able to make a whole bunch of arrests based on this historical data, would we really want to pay to jail that many more inmates? What could be the point of this?

Pressure against individuals: To put pressure on people to get them to do your bidding. To compel people to turn up evidence on bigger fish or your family members. To compel someone to be a patsy for a different crime. To compel celebrities to come out in support of the security state.

Nationally (or bragging rights): To look good to other countries when we ask for loans ("we're a secure nation- we could arrest all of these people if we wanted to."). To negotiate with prison-building companies (untapped arrests are potential prisons). To compel additional budgeting for high-tech crime-fighting research and equipment. To inflate one party's credibility pre-election ("we turned up all these bad guys."). As bargaining tokens in international deals ("we'll turn in this bad guy of yours if you buy our $million radar"). To bolster Big Pharma's stance that mass-narcotics are necessary ("look how many people self-medicate with dangerous cannabis, they should be taking prozac instead.").

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just read article in depth and found two more significant "features". First one - database build by AT&T can identify if target individual uses multiple phones (So if say I was engineer Joe and wanted to get sell private cell number(s) for Angelina Jolie how much would you pay?). Second - they can identify if you switched to a new number. Even if you threw out your phone. (So speaking of numbers, how much would you p…

>Seriously if AT&T doing this, there is no reason to believe that other providers do not. The article says AT&T has the data for any telco that uses AT&T switches. This is a little odd, given that the company currently known as AT&T is not the same company that used to manufacture switches; but, if this has been going on for 26 years, I suppose the government would have insisted it continue across corporate splits an…

IIRC, lots of other companies selling telecom use AT&T infrastructure (infrastructure owned by AT&T now, not infrastructure built by a different company called AT&T in the past.) There are a much greater number of companies that you can buy local and long-distance service from than companies that actually operate the physical infrastructure.

I suspect that current infrastructure is the "AT&T switches" that are relevant here.

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