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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#401
I hate to say that, but I told you so! :-D

More than two or more years ago, I wrote in different places, and probably in HN that when Microsoft partners he is always the winner, and the other is the looser, and that Microsoft was going to buy Nokia at a discount in the future.

History repeats itself.

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Um, no. See under Linux Desktop. Big fail, over all these years, even if it's more capable of Windows. It's more capable of Mac, too, and guess what most nerdy types with enough money buys? Users don't give a damn about Open Source. They don't even know what Open Source is (just ask some average teen girl with Android phone what she thinks about Android openness). What they want is an acceptable shiny device that doe…

Even if users don't care about Open Source, Linux being available for people to run cheap, secure, reliable servers have been a huge win for users as it has been a catalyst for the web. Similarly, having the Android source code available has increased the amount of handset manufacturers who choose to use it and increasing competition, putting on downward price pressure.

Maybe he's right? I wonder how many Raspberry Pi's would've sold at $150.00/ea with WinCE included? /sarcasm

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A 2.3 Phone will run almost every existing Android app out there. In fact, most Android apps target 2.2 and up.

Most of the phones running 2.3 aren't shipping with Google Play (is Play even compatible?), so there isn't the integrated app marketplace that defines the modern smartphone experience. These are drastically underpowered devices. Even if an app can run on 2.2, it doesn't mean it'll run well (or at all) on sub-$100 hardware.

All phones running 2.3. are Google Play capable. The lack of Google Play on some phones is due to manufacturers not certifying with Google.

In my country 90% of smartphones ship with Android, so I've seen a lot of 2.3. devices (I own one).

They are usually NOT underpowered (exception: the Galaxy Mini I certainly is, and it's the "free" smartphone over here), the user experience is quite good, usually better than an old iPhone.

I have a Galaxy Ace (which I don't like), my girlfriend has a Mini 2 (extremely good value for money), coworkers have Motorola Defy, Defy+, LG P880 4x, Galaxy S Advance, SII, SIII, SIV, Sony phones... all work reasonably well, I'd pick any of them over an old iPhone (and the LG and SIV over the latest iPhone).

Sub U$ 100 phones sold here all have Google Play btw.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#404
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Windows Phone from here. As far as I know, nobody except Nokia was doing 'better' with WP than Android, and didn't seem to be putting much effort into it really. I imagine they might be further deterred by Microsoft buying the dominant manufacturer too. This seems to put all the momentum of WP with Microsoft, and it seems like the only real place to go from here is competing with the iPhone/iOS head on.

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Some people prefer Windows to Mac OS, too, so I really don't see your point.

Not really sure how I can make this point more simply. In order to survive as a niche product you have to offer a significantly better or at least different experience. I'm sitting here right now in a coworking space in Vietnam full of developers. Ratio of MacBooks to PCs is about 15:1, which is pretty typical for any group of technical people I've been around.

> In order to survive as a niche product you have to offer a significantly better or at least different experience

Like Gentoo

I always saw Apple products as a niche for people who like Apple's aesthetic. This turf war was tiring when Apple had an almost credible claim to technical superiority and I had to listen to Apple PC users rant and rave. Nowadays it's a lot more fun with Google, Microsoft, and their partners making Apple and its supporters wince.

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> and is seems running windows in a hypervisor with VGA card passed trough is becoming more and more popular. I know absolutely nobody who does this.

I'm guessing that he's being a bit sarcastic since this would be an extremely hodgepodged setup, but I have thought about doing something like this for a home server/personal computer setup. My thoughts where to have something like a rackmounted server machine in my basement with multiple storage drives, oodles of RAM, CPU, and a video card with it all running under an ESX (or whatever) install. Over the hypervisor I…

Sarcastic - no - for a few tech savvy friends of mine the only thing that really keeps them on non virtualized windows is gaming. So any solution that offers them that - from high performance vm driver to vga passtrough is ok.

The desire to sandbox windows is real.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Most opt for Samsung or HTC ...but that's price fragmentation, not a commentary on the 'cohesiveness' of the Nexus 4, which is a brilliant device.

It's a commentary on the fragmented nature of the Google mobile experience.

'The' Google mobile experience is surely the Nexus line? Opting out of it doesn't fragment it, it simply makes it more niche. Is your argument not similar to saying iOS is fragmented because most people opt for Android?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#408
One thing which I haven't seen anyone mention yet. Nokia, like Skype, was a non-US company, which means Microsoft could use cash which is trapped in Europe.

So you have to take the purchase price and discount it by as much as the US Corporate tax rate (which Microsoft would have to pay if the money was going to be repatriated back to the States, as would be needed if that cash was going to be used to pay dividends or to purchase a company based in the US).

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"Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market." Everyone throws this out there, but phones running 2.3 that cost less than $100 are practically a different product than what Apple and Samsung are offering, which is where the true battle is. Over 1/3 of all Androids run 2.3: http://www.ibtimes.com/android-vs-ios-adoption-rates-jelly-b...

A 2.3 Phone will run almost every existing Android app out there. In fact, most Android apps target 2.2 and up.

Yes, and that point drove my decision to buy my now 2 year old Samsung Ace. It was a 2.3 device, thus it will run most apps without any issues. What I found later was that a particular hardware spec would really annoy me to the point that I couldn't install any more apps, and it's probably an issue that many low end phone users face: small internal memory. Hey, the phone has only 128Mb of memory for apps. The problem is not when you want to install new stuff, but the natural process of updating existing (default) apps like YouTube and Maps. When I run out of memory I have to reset the phone and start over. I'm thinking about buying a new phone just to get rid of this annoying thing.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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>There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. Yeah maybe. There is no guarantee that the outcome would have been more favorable than being bought out by Microsoft. >Apple obviously is very much in a battle with Android ... Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. There is zero chance o…

> Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. Yes. The low-margin 80% of the market that makes few profits. Apple makes as much revenue/profits from it's 20% share as the rest of the 80% Android OEMS combined (namely, Samsung). > There is zero chance of that changing anytime soon. That's great, because who would really want the 80%, low margin market segment? If it'll play like the PC Ma…

To put some figures on this -

Global operating profits in the smartphone market for the second quarter of 2013:

Apple - 53% (shipped 31.2M smartphones)

Samsung - 50% (shipped 72.5M smartphones)

All Others - negative 3% (operating losses)

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