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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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I started using Slackware Linux in 1997. If I had a nickel for everytime someone declared the Linux desktop is imminent since then I'd have more money than Bill Gates.

If they said it before and they were wrong, surely that means they will be wrong forever!

If they continue to say it every year, they will eventually be correct, right?

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There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. The core problem with the "no money in Android" argument is that you can't choose not to compete with Android if you're in the smartphone game, which is pretty obvio…

>There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. Yeah maybe. There is no guarantee that the outcome would have been more favorable than being bought out by Microsoft. >Apple obviously is very much in a battle with Android ... Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. There is zero chance o…

"Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market."

Everyone throws this out there, but phones running 2.3 that cost less than $100 are practically a different product than what Apple and Samsung are offering, which is where the true battle is. Over 1/3 of all Androids run 2.3:

http://www.ibtimes.com/android-vs-ios-adoption-rates-jelly-b...

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Not sure how not ready, not shipping on devices, no app support makes it "key to success". With that argument sticking to System 40 and System 60 would have made more sense.

Key to success since it allowed Nokia developing modern and versatile system. Not sure what you meant by no support and not shipping. It was cancelled, obviously. What kind of support do you expect from a cancelled system? Elop cut off that road for Nokia, and their independence was doomed ever since. It was probably the plan all along. It's good that we have Jolla folks now, who continue Meego heritage. But now they…

Meego wasn't ready to ship, Nokia needed a different OS and Microsoft needed devices. Not ideal for either case, but I don't think a Nokia based on Meego with out the infusion of cash that came in from MSFT would have gone anywhere.

Everything one hears about Windows Phone is the "lack of apps". I suspect a system based on Meego would have been a bigger challenge for Nokia than the cash and backing that came from MSFT.

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The Nexus line is in no way establishing a cohesive Google experience. Most opt for Samsung or HTC. Regarding the Surface: you're right, it flopped. Difference here is that Microsoft is bringing in the talent, experience, and quality product to make a more serious attempt at mobile.

Most opt for Samsung or HTC ...but that's price fragmentation, not a commentary on the 'cohesiveness' of the Nexus 4, which is a brilliant device.

It's a commentary on the fragmented nature of the Google mobile experience.

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The simple logistics of the deal make it very likely that the remaining Nokia shell company will become a patent aggressor. The only reason companies like Samsung and Motorola aren't firing off patent attacks daily is that their own substantial businesses fall risk to the same sorts of attack, leading to a sort of detente. By unloading the hardware business, the entity that remains will have all of the benefits of be…

And, naturally the one pulling the strings will be MS.

They'll simply dust off the SCO playbook. Unless the new CEO is made of very different stuff; or US legislators realise that patent aggression is the last refuge of a scoundrel, to paraphrase Samuel Johnson.

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Key to success since it allowed Nokia developing modern and versatile system. Not sure what you meant by no support and not shipping. It was cancelled, obviously. What kind of support do you expect from a cancelled system? Elop cut off that road for Nokia, and their independence was doomed ever since. It was probably the plan all along. It's good that we have Jolla folks now, who continue Meego heritage. But now they…

Meego wasn't ready to ship, Nokia needed a different OS and Microsoft needed devices. Not ideal for either case, but I don't think a Nokia based on Meego with out the infusion of cash that came in from MSFT would have gone anywhere. Everything one hears about Windows Phone is the "lack of apps". I suspect a system based on Meego would have been a bigger challenge for Nokia than the cash and backing that came from MSF…

>Meego wasn't ready to ship, Nokia needed a different OS

Nokia had a transition from Maemo to Meego in Harmattan. Harmattan was not only ready to ship, it was shipped! While it was used, Meego could get ready to ship. But Nokia de-facto cancelled it as soon as it came out, since Elop was already in control. Nokia did not need a different OS. MS needed Nokia to say they "need" a different OS. Obviously MS owned one. But Nokia wasn't Microsoft back then. It is now, and MS probably planned that all along.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Seems like it could be a great move, but it raises some questions. Given Microsoft's perspective, they know they need to increase Windows Phone share. The iPhone is on its way to become a niche device, so I doubt they would look to Apple and try to turn Microsoft+Nokia into the one-stop-shop for Windows Phone devices like I've seen speculated in many places. That's too big of a gamble. Instead, I think they'd model after Android, which now has 80% of the market, and continue strong on the OEM route, with Nokia-based devices just acting as a leader. The way I see it, this aligns much better with what's worked historically for Microsoft and what shareholders expect, especially given the Surface blunder. At least I hope so.

The problem is that Samsung, HTC and LG are all focused on Android, and Microsoft needs to change that. Can the Nokia buy help with that? I wonder. What would stop Microsoft from using Nokia's patents aggressively (rather than defensively) to "motivate" the other phone manufacturers to produce, market and license more Windows Phone devices, or face additional lawsuits against their majority-Android lines? Nokia alone didn't have the incentive to push to increase WP share outside their lines before, and Microsoft appears to already have a strong patent portfolio for mobile (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone_wars). If so, this deal could be especially sweet for Microsoft, and also could benefit Nokia too, since it would retain premium WP status when a true third ecosystem develops. Thoughts?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Very interesting, since Stephen Elop was tipped to replace Ballmer after his departure.

I think the real coup is the access to the dumb phone market in places like Africa and India where Nokia is strong today but where their growing middle class will want to move to smart phones over the next 10 years.

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