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Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by vacri »

jacques_chester wrote: post #40
rooshdi wrote: post #38

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That's still ludicrous. Apple is trying to control a word any technology company would use.

Within a narrow band of applicability. itafroma speculates that it's likely to be a retail package. For example, suppose that Apple cuts out telcos and sells plans directly. What might those plans be called? It's easy to imagine the base plan being called "startup". Or maybe it's a new technology or feature they plan to introduce. "Apple Startup, your gateway to the geohypersocialcloudappmotrons!". And so on. If you'…

Is 'Friend' a surname or merely a miscellaneous third party?

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

snikolic wrote: post #23
hdra wrote: post #15

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Say one thing OS X does objectively better than Linux. I honestly can't think of any.

I don't know the current state of high density display support in X11 (and I may just be an ignorant user and plain old wrong about this), but it was a totally broken deal breaker for me a year ago.

It's okay, more or less fine with two notable exceptions. There's no way that I know of to increase the chrome size in Chrome (oh well, I've switched back to Firefox anyway), and the systray icons don't grow (the applets and all that jazz do, but not the systray stuff, which I try to minimize anyway). Otherwise, yeah, you can bump the DPI or bump the font sizes, whatever floats your boat. I use it on my Chromecast Pixel all the time. (KDE 4.11)

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by adamnemecek »

rimantas wrote: post #46
adamnemecek wrote: post #16

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What does this comment even mean? Questioning semantics to undermine the parent comment's argument? Quaint strategy.

That commen means: you can take any company and find that its practices are shady. Nobody questions semantics. You think Apple is shady, I think Google is no less shady, maybe more, given their business model.

Well this interpretation is roughly on par. How does the fact that Google might employ shady practices as well really add anything to the discussion? Does that absolve Apple from any wrongdoings?

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by adamnemecek »

vacri wrote: post #49
hdra wrote: post #15

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Say one thing OS X does objectively better than Linux. I honestly can't think of any.

Cater to naive users. I say this as someone who particularly dislikes Apple's way of doing things, but who still recommends OSX to naive users. Something goes wrong with linux? Better hope there's a congenial neckbeard around, and if it's a hardware problem, good luck to you. In OSX? A larger online presence, and then of course you can always take it into a "genius" bar... and they replace the hardware gratis often e…

God bless local neckbeards.

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by jacques_chester »

vacri wrote: post #51
jacques_chester wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Within a narrow band of applicability. itafroma speculates that it's likely to be a retail package. For example, suppose that Apple cuts out telcos and sells plans directly. What might those plans be called? It's easy to imagine the base plan being called "startup". Or maybe it's a new technology or feature they plan to introduce. "Apple Startup, your gateway to the geohypersocialcloudappmotrons!". And so on. If you'…

Is 'Friend' a surname or merely a miscellaneous third party?

It's a surname. Stephen Friend. I've worked with him on two trademark applications.

http://www.ghfip.com.au/ws/principal-attorneys/index.jsp

I originally engaged Thomas Haines to do help me with a patent. He's the only patent lawyer I could find in Perth who has a computer science background.

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by kleiba »

johnathanz wrote: post #35
hdra wrote: post #15

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Say one thing OS X does objectively better than Linux. I honestly can't think of any.

OSX works out of the box; No distro fragmentation that could cause dependency issues; larger device support (that's a manufacturer thing as we know). But I haven't used Linux in about 6 years, so things might've improved...

OSX works out of the box because the hardware is known in advance.

If the hardware is supported by Linux, today's distros work out of the box too, and Linux supports a lot of different hardware components, especially older ones.

If you buy a new machine which comes with Linux pre-installed, like OSX is preinstalled on Macs, you can be pretty sure that it works just as "out of the box" as OSX does.

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by namenotrequired »

m4x wrote: post #8

The article doesn't really comment on why Apple would actually want to trademark the word 'startup'. As far as I know it isn't used as part of their marketing anywhere. Can anybody here offer some insight?

I was in the Apple store in Amsterdam earlier this summer and saw a large sign saying "STARTUP" on one wall. At first I was confused, thinking of startup companies, but then I realised it seemed more like a place where they help people get started with their new devices.

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by BitMastro »

elnate wrote: post #32
josteink wrote: post #11

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Linux is actually not half bad nowadays. It's not 2001 anymore. I've migrated my main laptop from Windows 8 to Elementary OS and the only complaint from my very non-technical SO is that things "are different" (i.e. the close button is in upper left corner of the window). Apart from that, everything just works. In fact it all worked out of the box, with the noticable exception of Skype. Linux is turning into a pretty…

Things like the close button position irk me quite a lot. Are there ways to make it look as simliar as possible to win7?

There are ways, but maybe KDE is a better alternative

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by dkersten »

elnate wrote: post #32
josteink wrote: post #11

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Linux is actually not half bad nowadays. It's not 2001 anymore. I've migrated my main laptop from Windows 8 to Elementary OS and the only complaint from my very non-technical SO is that things "are different" (i.e. the close button is in upper left corner of the window). Apart from that, everything just works. In fact it all worked out of the box, with the noticable exception of Skype. Linux is turning into a pretty…

Things like the close button position irk me quite a lot. Are there ways to make it look as simliar as possible to win7?

Of course there are. It is the forever configurable Linux after all. But since the discussion was about Apple products having the close button on the left is a benefit ;-)

But really these things are frustrations at first but you will learn the differences and get over them very very quickly. Just ask anyone who switched from win to osx.

Re: Apple seeks to trademark “startup” in Australia

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Post by rimantas »

rooshdi wrote: post #38
jacques_chester wrote: post #25

Trademarks are not global variables. They are scoped. In trademark law these are called "classes". If I have a trademark for McDonalds that covers navigation equipment, then the hamburger company can't sue me using their trademark which covers hamburgers. The coverage is scoped. Now! Observe the list of classes -- 37, 38, 41 and 42. Apple is essentially registering "startup" to cover devices, their maintenance, devel…

That's still ludicrous. Apple is trying to control a word any technology company would use.

Facebook and "face". T-Mobile and magenta. I am sure there are more "interesting" examples.
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