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I’m Thinking. Please. Be Quiet.

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IIRC Peopleware pointed out a study where they compared two groups of programmers, those working in a quiet environment and those working with music. Given identical assignments, both groups completed it in roughly the same (median) amount of time. However, the assignment was such that there was a "shortcut", i.e. if you thought hard enough about the requirements a much easier solution was possible. Only the programm…

How was it a shortcut if both groups completed it at the same time?

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#52

I'll bite. From my biased viewpoint, based on who complains most, people prefer the quiet more as they get older. Kids don't seem to care, middle aged prefer some separation, and my elders can be derailed by a greeting. I've always assumed it was the skill to tune out, but perhaps theirs are weightier thoughts. Personally, I need some mindless noise in the background, but nothing with any meaningful signal. The noise…

> I'll bite. From my biased viewpoint, based on who complains most, people prefer the quiet more as they get older. Kids don't seem to care, middle aged prefer some separation, and my elders can be derailed by a greeting. Or maybe, older people complain more about noise because they actually know what sane conditions are and how life was back when ADD wasn't a thing yet.

I would agree, but the article spends a lot of time in the past too. Cities weren't quiet in the olden days, and even the countryside is remarkably noisy with life. 'Course, nothin' beats the distraction potential of the modern Internet (as my reply is demonstrating), so I can't fully discount it.

Re: I’m Thinking. Please. Be Quiet.

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IIRC Peopleware pointed out a study where they compared two groups of programmers, those working in a quiet environment and those working with music. Given identical assignments, both groups completed it in roughly the same (median) amount of time. However, the assignment was such that there was a "shortcut", i.e. if you thought hard enough about the requirements a much easier solution was possible. Only the programm…

How was it a shortcut if both groups completed it at the same time?

I think the point was that the programmers working in the environment with music produced solutions with more complexity. Over the lifetime of a project that complexity is going to add up.

Re: I’m Thinking. Please. Be Quiet.

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post #40

IIRC Peopleware pointed out a study where they compared two groups of programmers, those working in a quiet environment and those working with music. Given identical assignments, both groups completed it in roughly the same (median) amount of time. However, the assignment was such that there was a "shortcut", i.e. if you thought hard enough about the requirements a much easier solution was possible. Only the programm…

How was it a shortcut if both groups completed it at the same time?

Only the median was the same. The way I interpret this is that a quiet work environment sort of "unlocked" the ability to see the shortcut for a small number of workers. However, most still used the normal method and had the same performance as the workers with music, thus the same median.

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post #40

IIRC Peopleware pointed out a study where they compared two groups of programmers, those working in a quiet environment and those working with music. Given identical assignments, both groups completed it in roughly the same (median) amount of time. However, the assignment was such that there was a "shortcut", i.e. if you thought hard enough about the requirements a much easier solution was possible. Only the programm…

How was it a shortcut if both groups completed it at the same time?

It was a bit more than a shortcut.

    The Cornell experiment, however, contained a hidden wild card. The
    specification required that an output data stream be formed through
    a series of manipulations on numbers in the input data stream. For
    example, participants had to shift each number two digits to the
    left and then divide by one hundred and so on, perhaps completing
    a dozen operations in total. Although the specification never said
    it, the net effect of all the operations was that each output number
    was necessarily equal to its input number. Some people realized
    this and others did not. Of those who figured it out, the overwhelming
    majority came from the quiet room.

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#57

It's an opinion piece, so it's sort of anecdotal and hazy by nature, I guess (ymmv). I'm not going to complain too viscerally about it. The problem I have, though, is that the entire piece basically says "noise kills productivity" but the only linked research is saying that "exposure to aircraft noise increases morning saliva cortisol levels in women, which could be of relevance for noise-related cardiovascular effec…

"Noise is bad for concentration" isn't exactly an extraordinary claim. What makes you skeptical?

Re: I’m Thinking. Please. Be Quiet.

#58

1) Sound isn't necessarily distracting. Sometimes it could be helpful. Focus@Will ( https://www.focusatwill.com/science/science-primer/ ) is based on this. 2) You can usually find quiet if you want to rather easily. 3) If you're going to argue that society (or parts of society) should be more quiet, you have to be specific about what parts, and about why restricting sound outweighs the costs. The costs of restricting…

What are you basing this on, exactly? About half the people on this thread a) have been reduced to wearing sound-canceling or over-the-ear headphones; b) work in open office setups where there is no quiet to be had; or both.

That might be your experience, but it certainly isn't the experience of the people on this thread; of the author of the original post; or of most people I know.

Re: I’m Thinking. Please. Be Quiet.

#59
post #40

IIRC Peopleware pointed out a study where they compared two groups of programmers, those working in a quiet environment and those working with music. Given identical assignments, both groups completed it in roughly the same (median) amount of time. However, the assignment was such that there was a "shortcut", i.e. if you thought hard enough about the requirements a much easier solution was possible. Only the programm…

Music/noise isn't the issue so much as lyrics for me (or background phone calls, etc if we're talking about general noise).

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#60
I can just speak from experience comparing different open offices and working at home. The primary office I work at is all open, however the acoustics are horrible and the place is extremely noisy. Days I am in the office are mostly relegated to meetings with other team members and a marginal amount of coding. Putting in headphones and working at a desk on days we are supposed to be mingling, working with one another, etc is no better than working at home. That said, two other regional offices which I have spent time in that were also open, while not meeting with direct team members, I was more productive without headphones -- things were generally quiet.

When I work at home, I am actually more productive coding than I am in the office due to having more control over both noise and distractions.

I can't speak to research, I just know I prefer environments that are either quiet or the noise is specifically relevant to myself and colleagues over hearing the ramblings of disparate teams in the background.

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