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Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks

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Re: Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks

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I'm all for people having the freedom to eat whatever they want and I really like the quantified self aspect of seeing how diet affects how they feel and metrics of health, but I have to say the author grossly does not understand the medical tests he had done and misinterprets the data. I'm not going to comment on the drink, but rather on his misunderstanding of medicine. First, EGFR is not "Epidermal Growth Factor R…

Can you give more details about the article "not eating for a year". I can't seem to find it, and I don't know how it is possible to maintain the nitrogen balance for so long.

Re: Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks

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Why wait for soylent? Bag of flaxmeal, Bananas ,Oats ,Yogurt Mixed Nuts, Raisins, Power bar Blend & drink the first four, munch on the nuts & raisins during the day, have the occasional power bar, take a multivitamin and toss in a nice diverse meal once a week to catch anything else and... profit?

You probably won't hit 120g of protein like soylent does and it will be expensive for you

Buy your own bag of protein powder, mix in so you get as much as you want.

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Soylent aside, im amazed at how terrible his traditional normal days meal is? I mean hes eating a processed breakfast subsitute in the morning, take away mexican food with a soft drink for lunch and more take away for dinner. You don't need to be a nutritionist to know thats going to have a terrible impact on his life later down the track. Postnote: Now that Ive read the whole article, I wonder if all the benefits he…

I was bothered by that too. I think soylent would have a hard time beating my diet WHEN I eat correctly (some recent issues resulted into me drifting far from my normal diet, but now I am returning to it again). My normal diet, breakfast: toast, cheese, chinese tea (I like all colors) or matte tea (it remembers black tea, but with a less harsh taste and less caffeine) lunch: vegetables and proteins (meat, cheese, sas…

Since vegetarianism tends to attract a certain sort of person anecdotal evidence regarding them is shaky at best. It would be interesting to see various studies but I'm not sure there are many I trust since they tend to get hijacked to serve a political or moral point. If soylent (or some future product) does prove successful I would think a lot of vegetarians (as well as meat eaters) would benefit from having some occasionally just to make sure they're getting all their required nutrients.

Re: Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks

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I just posted this to Tim's Blog: --------------------- It seems probable that soylent is better than much of the manufactured food on the market. It also seems unlikely that soylent is better than quality whole food. I take Nassim Taleb's approach. We don’t know what we don’t know about food. I’d like to address two of Shane’s points. I'm listing the objections Shane raises, then his reply: Shane's first point: Obje…

One more thing:

> One additional problem of soylent: the designers assume we need a steady inejection of the same macronutrients every time we eat.

No, they don't. They assume that a steady delivery is sufficient, unless you're basing this on claims elsewhere that I've not seen.

The effects of immediate post-workout delivery of carbs and protein are also quite small if you get sufficient protein. You can get much the same effect by simply increasing your overall protein intake to ensure it is not all used when you eat it, as amino acids can remain available in the blood stream for at least a couple of days.

Re: Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks

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What are they? I'm interested in "I'm too lazy to cook today but don't want to eat unhealthy fast food" food.

Seriously? You are unaware of meal replacement bars and drinks? https://www.google.com/search?q=meal+replacement+shakes Almost all of them are marketed to the diet crowd. There are a bunch of 'atkins' branded bars, too, if you are going the low-carb route. Slim-fast, I know, can be had in giant tubs for relatively little money per serving; I remember as a kid, looking through my grandparent's pantry and finding a gia…

I was indeed unaware of them, they sound good, thank you.

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The main issue i have with this is not wether it works or not. Even if it would be as healthy as the healthiest foods you could cook and it would therefore "work" i still would despise this. Why? First off I think somethings simply do not need to be fixed. The making, eating and sharing of food is one of life's greatest pleasures. It is like saying .. well how can i fix this this sex thing? its taking too much of my…

The great thing about life is that we can make our own choices. I don't think judging other people based on the decisions they make is a healthy attitude. The more we provide new options for people the more diversity in human experience we create and that is often beneficial. Guess who didn't choose to partake in sex despite plenty of opportunity: Nikola Tesla. Of course he never did anything important...

Re: Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks

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Seriously? You are unaware of meal replacement bars and drinks? https://www.google.com/search?q=meal+replacement+shakes Almost all of them are marketed to the diet crowd. There are a bunch of 'atkins' branded bars, too, if you are going the low-carb route. Slim-fast, I know, can be had in giant tubs for relatively little money per serving; I remember as a kid, looking through my grandparent's pantry and finding a gia…

I was indeed unaware of them, they sound good, thank you.

Yeah, I can't guarantee they are better than fast food. But, I bet you can find one that is similar to Soylent. It is more convenient than fast food.

I actually kinda like the McDonald's salads. I mean, as far as you can like fast food at all. If you go easy on the dressing, (the dressing comes in a package that looks like a giant-size katsup packet, so you get to decide how much you eat.) I think it's probably pretty healthy, I mean, at least when you compare to shakes.

I have used meal-replacement shakes in the past as supplemental breakfast; I like to load up on calories in the morning, but eating can be... hard before my system wakes up, so the meal-replacement shakes (with as much breakfast as I can choke down) is a reasonable way to consume as many calories as I can in the morning.

Of course, for me? meal-replacement shakes have never quelled hunger like real food, so I'm no longer using them just because I'm trying to reduce the number of calories I consume. If I eat something, it had better make me feel not hungry for a good long time. I'm having the best luck with meat and vegetables... the carbohydrates tend to make me hungry shortly afterwards. On the other hand, I have not lost significant weight. (I vary from 200 to 195#, and that has been true for some time now. As far as I can tell, most of that 5# is either water gain or loss, or inaccuracy of my cheap bathroom scale.) so "you shall know him by his fruits" - don't take my advice on losing weight, as I've not managed to do so myself.

Also, a big, sarcastic thanks. after that 'meal replacement shake' query on google, now just about every webpage I load is trying to sell me some sort of 'optimized nutrition' (Google seems to get that I'm male-identified and thus is trying to sell me the shakes targeted at 'building lean muscle' - you know, the stuff with the rippling abs on the can. Google does not seem to be smart enough to notice that I quite often google things I don't intend to buy. Really, books on what I'm searching for are usually more appropriate than products I'm searching for. Not that I often buy books through ads... but it's more likely than me buying nutrition shakes targeted at bodybuilders.)

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"Rob is a Y Combinator alumnus with professional experience in electrical engineering, computer science and entrepreneurship. Lacking the means to produce cheap energy, he invented a form of fusion as a more efficient approach to powering his home and hopes to use it to reduce the global disparity of electrification."

On one hand, the entire field of nutritional science (and several associated topics), coupled with a wealthy and powerful nutrition industry who, despite literally decades of research, have never succeeded in creating a total meal replacement. Oh, and don't forget the world's militaries, who throw enormous amounts of money at research groups for anything even remotely useful and for who full meal replacements would be a holy grail.

On the other, this one computer hacker dude who is going to 'disrupt' the expert opinion and hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution. He read some papers guys!

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And yet the sum total evidence is 'Me and my friends haven't died yet, and we feel good'. His company still has no staff with biology experience, and the blog sells more merchandise than science.

Still, otherwise incredibly smart and driven people on HN eat this up.

Re: Soylent: What Happened When I Stopped Eating For 2 Weeks

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I'm not in a position to do step 2 on this subject, as I'm not sufficiently into nutrition or medicine or judge the claims in the article independently, and for a non peer-reviewed source addressing what looks like a food fad, there's a good chance that it won't be worth my time to repair that deficiency.

I believe the parent's point wasn't the accuracy of the information you'd be receiving, but just the exercise of evaluating conflicting viewpoints and coming out more enlightened as a result of it. Believe it or not, being able to apply that anywhere (as opposed to just thinking you can) is a skill, and skills need practice. It's an important part of thinking critically, and it can easily be lacking in a lot of very…

Fascinating.
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