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Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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That's amazing! I had no idea the F1 was so sturdy. My assumption (probably common) is that these super light exotics disintegrate when hitting large insects, let alone walls.

Many of them do, although there is the notorious story of an Enzo that got literally torn in half on CA 1 and both people inside walked away.

Here's the story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Eriksson#Car_crash

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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> There's winning and there's crushing the opponents. Crushing the opponents while your car remains uncrushed in the test (or the least crushed). That's what you get when you ask the rocket scientist to make you a car.

If you ask a rocket scientist to make you a car that passes the crash test ratings alone, they'll build you a tungsten dump truck. If you're going to win, you might as well reach the destination without noticing that you've had a collision.

The goal of a crash test is not to keep the car intact, it is to keep the driver intact. On "keep the car intact", today's cars do way more badly than those of the 1950's.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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This is all very good PR.... BUT. The critical safety concern with the Tesla is....... You guessed it. The high voltage system. It can kill you or a first responder with a touch. It's not just about batteries catching fire, although that's gotten a lot of press lately. A chief concern during a Tesla accident is the exposure of high voltage components. It's a big concern for first responders. Read it from the horse's…

About that, do cars attempt to shut down engines, fuel intake and electric pathways when detecting a collision ? I remember Liquid Gas vehicles having an emergency outlet to avoid fire/explosions. In Tesla's case that would be cutting the battery off the circuit and maybe putting it into a 'fast drain' mode ..

Fast draining those batteries would likely cause an enormous amount of heat.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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This is all very good PR.... BUT. The critical safety concern with the Tesla is....... You guessed it. The high voltage system. It can kill you or a first responder with a touch. It's not just about batteries catching fire, although that's gotten a lot of press lately. A chief concern during a Tesla accident is the exposure of high voltage components. It's a big concern for first responders. Read it from the horse's…

About that, do cars attempt to shut down engines, fuel intake and electric pathways when detecting a collision ? I remember Liquid Gas vehicles having an emergency outlet to avoid fire/explosions. In Tesla's case that would be cutting the battery off the circuit and maybe putting it into a 'fast drain' mode ..

You can't just "shut down" electric pathways. Not exactly. There is a manual cut that first responders need to make to sever the high voltage circuit before they can work on the car. However there's still capacitors, converters and the battery itself that remain dangerous especially if they've been compromised.

As for "fast draining" the battery, where would the power drain to? That's exactly the problem.. NOT giving the power a path to go when you're working on the car.

This is not much of an issue with most cars because the electrical systems are low voltage (12V car battery). With Tesla it's enough to cause major injury or death with one touch if you complete the circuit.

Watch the video, it explains all this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntK3rvVl2Qw

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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Tesla S is an excellent car. Loved it when I sat in one.

What came to light in Germany some years ago, with a heated discussion, is that automotive companies seem to optimize their cars towards specific tests. The discussion raged around what tests are more realistic, with those that let the car makers look bad (foreign tests) being "not realistic".

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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I can't believe people would complain about the updates to the software. They are more rare than iPhone dot releases and come with real benefits. Maybe they were pulling your chain.

What kind of updates come in Tesla software releases, and also how do they get into the car? I've actually never thought about this at all.

You get all the updates over the provided 3G connection the car has included. Here are some of the release notes:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showwiki.php?title=Model+S+so...

I started with 4.2 and am on 4.5 now.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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About that, do cars attempt to shut down engines, fuel intake and electric pathways when detecting a collision ? I remember Liquid Gas vehicles having an emergency outlet to avoid fire/explosions. In Tesla's case that would be cutting the battery off the circuit and maybe putting it into a 'fast drain' mode ..

You can't just "shut down" electric pathways. Not exactly. There is a manual cut that first responders need to make to sever the high voltage circuit before they can work on the car. However there's still capacitors, converters and the battery itself that remain dangerous especially if they've been compromised. As for "fast draining" the battery, where would the power drain to? That's exactly the problem.. NOT giving…

And I guess it's unrealistic to think of a special draining device to be brought on crash sites to exhaust the car battery. All in all, are electric vehicles more 'instable' energy wise when crashed, compared to petroleum based one ? or is it different flavours of similarly sh*tty situations ?

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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And I think it's worth it for them to spend CEO time on it. Because the difference is not just between people reading good PR vs mediocre PR, but whether people will actually read it. (I.e. if it's not worth doing well, might as well not do it.)

Having a fearless leader one can look up to must also be fucking awesome for employee morale.

It works for the military.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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This is simply unkind to the competition (and to the poles alike): "Tesla achieved this outcome by nesting multiple deep aluminum extrusions in the side rail of the car that absorb the impact energy (a similar approach was used by the Apollo Lunar Lander) and transfer load to the rest of the vehicle. This causes the pole to be either sheared off or to stop the car before the pole hits an occupant." There's winning an…

Here's the video of the Tesla pole test: http://youtu.be/_Al3IUHt9Wc?t=32s Honda Accord for comparison: http://youtu.be/ycntFFUfGkU?t=30s

Okay, that's impressive. The Accord isn't a bad car per se, but its dummy is clearly having a much worse day.

Re: Tesla Model S achieves best safety rating of any car ever tested

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First: SUVs don't survive crashes particularly well This is outdated information, SUVs are now far safer than cars. Death rate (per 1M vehicle years) for 4WD midsize SUV: 23. Midsize Sedan: 51 [1] [1] http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4605.pdf

Great link. What is the rationale for reporting death rates in terms of vehicle-years, rather than rate per mile traveled? What if SUVs just get driven less (due to poor mileage, only being taken out in the snow...)

> What is the rationale for reporting death rates in terms of vehicle-years, rather than rate per mile traveled?

Vehicle-years can be determined directly from vehicle registration data. Miles traveled would require a lot more guesswork.

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