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India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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There is an India you don't want to know about. This is it. We, Indians, have seen it. But we choose to ignore it, because, Mera Bharat Mahan (My India is Great)

It makes me hate other Indians though. Admit there's a problem, and work to fix it. Don't just brush it to the side and pretend it's not a big deal if you ignore it. All that's doing is putting a bandage on an open sore which is going to fester and make it harder to fix down the line.

It's a very difficult problem to solve here in India.

Sure, you can have proper laws to handle it - but what do you do about the lacking enforcement?

If you have proper enforcement - what do you do about the corrupt courts?

Even if corruption is fixed - how do you tackle scaling with dealing with these issues?

If we had all that working - who teaches these people to be respectful of personal rights?

In my opinion, this rape problem isn't THE problem, but merely a symptom of a much larger set of more important problems. I don't like these articles because they hardly do anything to bring to light what I think are huge structural problems that need to be fixed that allow rape to be a non-issue. I truly believe that fixing all the fundamental issues is the correct way to fix the country.

Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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having recently traveled in India for three weeks, I heard remarkably similar accounts all too frequently from groups of women travelers. Even as a man, I was approached for sex several times while out running. It was gross. Having traveled a fair amount, I have never personally experienced behavior consistently this revolting in other countries. The behavior of Indian men was easily the most dissappointing part of m…

Wait, were you approached by other men on the street soliciting sex?

A long time ago, I read the classifieds section of an Indian tabloid that has 1 million readers. These are examples of what I saw:

> Male Gorgeous: Male to Male only. Head to Toe complete relaxation body massage, Hygienic North, South India masseurs anytime.

> Body Massage: Male to Male (Hotels/Doorstep). Complete Relaxation. Good Looking Guys. High Profile. Only Male Service.

Now, I'm not one to judge, but the fact that it's important how good-looking the masseurs are indicates to me that people aren't just getting massages.

Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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having recently traveled in India for three weeks, I heard remarkably similar accounts all too frequently from groups of women travelers. Even as a man, I was approached for sex several times while out running. It was gross. Having traveled a fair amount, I have never personally experienced behavior consistently this revolting in other countries. The behavior of Indian men was easily the most dissappointing part of m…

This is slightly disturbing. If you're comfortable with it, could you elaborate on what happened to you? I have never heard of cases involving men.

Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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It reminds me of a news about a western woman who hitchiked across China. I hope women's security in India will get better in the future. http://www.businessinsider.com/rachel-katz-hitchhiked-across...

Thank you so much for that link. It was the perfect antidote to the disturbing story of India's misogyny.

Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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Why don't we hear this more often? I often hear stores about people traveling to India but I've never heard of this level of incessant public abuse. And what about the people who were warning her to dress conservatively and not make eye contact? Did they know the extent of the abuse she was about to endure? Did they deliberately downplay it for some reason? Or did she experience unusually horrific treatment because o…

There has been a deluge of news reports about Indian rape culture during the past few months. If you haven't noticed, you haven't been paying attention. See, for several horrible examples: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/india-bus-gang-rape...

Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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There is an India you don't want to know about. This is it. We, Indians, have seen it. But we choose to ignore it, because, Mera Bharat Mahan (My India is Great)

It makes me hate other Indians though. Admit there's a problem, and work to fix it. Don't just brush it to the side and pretend it's not a big deal if you ignore it. All that's doing is putting a bandage on an open sore which is going to fester and make it harder to fix down the line.

> Admit there's a problem, and work to fix it.

You must be crazy. Its not like you do git pull india --rebase and everything's hunky dory from then on. Its 1.2 billion people. Beyond a certain threshold, systems are essentially unfixable. India has crossed that threshold a long, long time ago. You'd have a better chance if you just ran away & started a new community elsewhere - which is why there are little-indias everywhere - in seattle, silicon valley, new jersey, queens, austin,... Here's a list of top 20 little-indias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American#U.S._metropolit...

All those little-indias are doing fine. Its the Big-india that has issues.

Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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You can't deny that there are a large number of Indians who work in technology and start-ups.

Engineers and others who work in the tech sector (especially in Silicon Valley) almost certainly know and work with more Indian or Indian born people than people in almost any other profession. Learning about the culture they come from and how they treat foreigners and women is absolutely relevant to people who care about and work in technology.

Re: India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear

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Ah thanks. Sorry about that.
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