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NY Comptroller: Legalise marijuana, tax it and end wrongheaded war on pot

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Re: NY Comptroller: Legalise marijuana, tax it and end wrongheaded war on pot

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As someone with a friend who, in a different state and different circumstances, foolishly was detained on a road trip in a state with a strict no-tolerance policy, was subsequently arrested and tried by some small prick DA in the middle of nowehre to teach a lesson with his "sorry, I don't make exceptions because we want to look hard on drugs" apologism, I hope decriminalization succeeds at least in the short term. T…

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It's important to note that it's not "free the weed, man!" It would be grown by government approved vendors and taxed. Private growing would likely be illegal. Sales by non-government approved vendors would likely be illegal. I'm certain the government would allow allow a single FDA approved variety: you wouldn't see the higher powered varieties or growing techniques. It would more highly regulated than cigarettes or…

That isn't what has happened with amendment 64 in Colorado. You can grow up to six plants for personal use, no licence required. Funnily enough, the current situation of having legalised personal use without legalising trade is very similar to what was proposed by Hunter S. Thompson when he was running for Sheriff of Aspen.

I'm only responding to the article, and the comptroller's proposal, which is independent of actions taken in Colorado.

4th paragraph: under my proposal, only adults age 21 and over would be allowed to possess up to one ounce of marijuana – which would be grown, processed, and sold by government-licensed businesses for recreational or medicinal purposes.

As written, this seems to imply those licenses won't be issue arbitrarily to individuals.

Re: NY Comptroller: Legalise marijuana, tax it and end wrongheaded war on pot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think part of his point is that, for "10-12%" of Americans, these laws actually make them go from unemployed in the official sense to actually having no meaningful income in the literal sense. In other words, it will make many bad situations even worse. > As a result, "drugs are the only industry left in places such as Baltimore and east St Louis" – an industry that employs "children, old people, people who've been…

Those arrests cause broken families and drive away potential employers. The arrests are absolutely key. If anything, keeping other drugs illegal while legalizing marijuana would provide a transition period for those impoverished drug dealers, a transition period that would be unavailable if the whole deal fell with one blow as he seems to desire.

> If anything, keeping other drugs illegal while legalizing marijuana would provide a transition period for those impoverished drug dealers, a transition period that would be unavailable if the whole deal fell with one blow as he seems to desire.

Or we could fix poverty.

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If you believe that you own your own body, then it would make sense. I wonder what people will say in 100 years. Will they laugh at us for letting people with the label "government" lay claim on how we use our own bodies? I would think so.

If I may float a counter argument (that I personally don't happen to support but fully appreciate): As we move towards socialized medicine, your body becomes less "yours" and more part of the collective. If society pays for the results of how you use your body, it seems logical that they should have some say in that use.

I can see that as a possibility, though a rather dystopian one. Resistance is futile.

Re: NY Comptroller: Legalise marijuana, tax it and end wrongheaded war on pot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those arrests cause broken families and drive away potential employers. The arrests are absolutely key. If anything, keeping other drugs illegal while legalizing marijuana would provide a transition period for those impoverished drug dealers, a transition period that would be unavailable if the whole deal fell with one blow as he seems to desire.

> If anything, keeping other drugs illegal while legalizing marijuana would provide a transition period for those impoverished drug dealers, a transition period that would be unavailable if the whole deal fell with one blow as he seems to desire. Or we could fix poverty.

Certainly we should try that, but keeping pot illegal so that poor people can continue to sell it isn't a solution by any means.

Re: NY Comptroller: Legalise marijuana, tax it and end wrongheaded war on pot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't what has happened with amendment 64 in Colorado. You can grow up to six plants for personal use, no licence required. Funnily enough, the current situation of having legalised personal use without legalising trade is very similar to what was proposed by Hunter S. Thompson when he was running for Sheriff of Aspen.

I'm only responding to the article, and the comptroller's proposal, which is independent of actions taken in Colorado. 4th paragraph: under my proposal, only adults age 21 and over would be allowed to possess up to one ounce of marijuana – which would be grown, processed, and sold by government-licensed businesses for recreational or medicinal purposes. As written, this seems to imply those licenses won't be issue ar…

I am not familiar with the Colorado system, but that sounds similar to the Washington system. In order to grow or sell you need to buy a license (available in November I believe). This system is not going to restrict strains or products in any meaningful way. No more so than government issued licenses for medical grow ops have restricted strains... As most here are probably aware, the existence of government licensed growers has had the opposite effect as what you are hypothesising.

I believe Colorado has commercial growers obtain a license as well, though I cannot say that for sure.

Re: NY Comptroller: Legalise marijuana, tax it and end wrongheaded war on pot

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As someone with a friend who, in a different state and different circumstances, foolishly was detained on a road trip in a state with a strict no-tolerance policy, was subsequently arrested and tried by some small prick DA in the middle of nowehre to teach a lesson with his "sorry, I don't make exceptions because we want to look hard on drugs" apologism, I hope decriminalization succeeds at least in the short term. T…

The mental trauma of being in a US prison and permanent unemployability from a felony record causes far more hardship to a person than the act of smoking. That alone should indicate that the punishment is not fitting the crime.

Re: NY Comptroller: Legalise marijuana, tax it and end wrongheaded war on pot

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What I want to know is why governments support all illegal drug dealing, and dont get a cut of the action themselves. The illegality is pretty much what makes it profitable. All the "war" on drugs does is keep the prices up. Mean while the government just pours our tax money down the drain, get zero in return. Legalize it and the government can tax it. Dealers get wiped out, and with them, a lot of the violence. The…

It's considered a conspiracy theory, but many people do believe the government takes a cut of the drug trade. That money would be far more valuable than normal tax dollars because a small group would get to control it without any oversight or tax distribution (off the books it could be used for anything).

I believe the Federal Government will only legalize pot under one of two circumstances: 1) it becomes more profitable to tax it (the theory being that it's not today) and 2) they can no longer keep the cartels under control and they become a direct security threat

Re: NY Comptroller: Legalise marijuana, tax it and end wrongheaded war on pot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If anything, keeping other drugs illegal while legalizing marijuana would provide a transition period for those impoverished drug dealers, a transition period that would be unavailable if the whole deal fell with one blow as he seems to desire. Or we could fix poverty.

Certainly we should try that, but keeping pot illegal so that poor people can continue to sell it isn't a solution by any means.

> I'm certainly not going to agree that that's a reason not to do what we have
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