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Post by Helianthus »

RodericDay wrote: post #75

I discovered this the other day, and I was really surprised at how silently it happens. So, plover.net is run by a writer called Stephen Bonds. He's got article upon article doing what I believe is very insightful criticism of nerd/programming culture, explaining how he believes the artistic and political biases of "nerdy" people come about. Someone linked to his article about Ender's Game ( https://news.ycombinator.…

In the interest of experimentation with censorship, I'm going to state the following:

pg is an asshat.

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Post by unono »

diydsp wrote: post #80
unono wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant that he's trying to hide HN's real intention, publicity for YCers - their job ads and blog posts are on front page but no one else is allowed, and if anyone else's story gets up there it's dealt with by his algos. Algo's are good, but his algos are specifically designed to promote his content while not revealing that. Google has a strict policy of separating ads and organic, "do no evil". PG doesn't adhere to…

Why not start your own similar message board? I'm not just being glib. You know HN is based reddit's free software, right? I would love to see more competition and more variants of moderation policies. I've watched reddit's and slashdot's both evolve in interesting ways. I've run phpBB forums and ended them quickly b/c of the load of moderating. I've been on usenet groups with extremely high signal to noise ratio. I'…

I'll get to it right after I start my own OS because Microsoft's too evil and my own superpower country because the military-industrial complex is too evil.

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Post by krapp »

This may be an unpopular opinion but I think the policy should be to use whatever the title of the original article is, by default in the link to the content. Allow the text field or another field for the submitter to describe (briefly) the content as it's relevant to HN users.

Or at the very least add an 'updated' or asterisk or something next to the title when it gets changed.

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Post by gbaygon »

swanson wrote: post #90
alan_cx wrote: post #77

What confuses me is why many submissions are killed off and hidden. For example, right now, if you click new is show dead on you will see this grayed out: 15.[dead] Oracle's Larry Ellison enthusiastically applauds NSA spying (techeye.net) 1 point by Mitt 17 minutes ago | flag | discuss I copy and paste it in to google, and find what looks to me like a reasonable article. It even has a CBS video source(1). It is a leg…

You are waaaay overthinking it. Probably was just flagged to death because people are getting overloaded with NSA stories, especially when there is no new additions. I would probably have flagged it if I saw it, doesn't really advance the discussion and frankly, I don't come to HN for politics.

Be careful when flagging articles you are tired of seeing, apparently if your tastes are different to that of the watchmen the ability to flag gets removed from you.

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Post by [deleted] »

kgermino wrote: post #83
dhiraj86 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, anyone sure of what the upvote threshold is?

1? I just logged into an (old) account[0] with no comments or submissions. It has 1 karma and as far as I could tell it was able to upvote no problem. [0]826 days old. Can't for the life of me remember why I created it, or what (if anything) I did with it but the karma count was at 1 and there were no listed comments or submissions.

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

conductor wrote: post #82

My 5 cents: today I've submitted this [0] post, its title was "Valve is planning to use Blender as a game modding tool in Steam". Then it was renamed by somebody to "Steam-powered Blender" which resulted a bunch of title related comments like: > You know, with a link title like that, I was really hoping to see a food processor powered by a steam engine. >> That's HN for you. You're never quite sure whether it's progr…

Haha... I clicked on that "Steam-powered Blender" link thinking the same thing. If I'd known it was about Valve's Steam (which I have no interest in) and about Blender (which I have no idea what it is) I never would have clicked.

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Post by pseut »

speeder wrote: post #59
amirmc wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting news stories on HN is independent of karma. Posts end up on the front page because people upvote them, not because the poster has high karma.

More or less. Many times I submitted a article and it got ignored and then someone popular posted it stay and got 300+ upvotes. But it is not really karma related,.and more if people remember your nickname.

It's also possible that the "popular" user has high karma because he or she is good at timing submissions.

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Post by mcphilip »

The most egregious case of title manipulation that I recall was when the submission of a blog post that broke the airbnb scandal [1] was renamed. The title of the blog post was too generic to attract interest and gave no indication that it was related to airbnb [2]. The submission's title was originally something like "Airbnb user's home wrecked". The title of the HN submission was changed to the blog post's vague title of "Violated: a traveler's lost faith, a difficult lesson learned."

I get that HN doesn't want editorialized submission titles (e.g. /r/politics), but if a title is too vague to warrant attention, what's the harm in submitting it to HN in a manner that gives it context?

[1]http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/27/the-moment-of-truth-for-air...

[2]http://ejroundtheworld.blogspot.com/2011/06/violated-travele...

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Post by ryanklee »

nsns wrote: post #26

Posting an entry on HN changes its original context - it is, in itself, a hermeneutic act, performed by posting, upvoting as well as retitling it. Changing the title back to its "original" state is not only naïve, but also counters HN's raison d'être .

The second best way to hide something is by saying it vaguely.

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Post by bhauer »

swanson wrote: post #90
alan_cx wrote: post #77

What confuses me is why many submissions are killed off and hidden. For example, right now, if you click new is show dead on you will see this grayed out: 15.[dead] Oracle's Larry Ellison enthusiastically applauds NSA spying (techeye.net) 1 point by Mitt 17 minutes ago | flag | discuss I copy and paste it in to google, and find what looks to me like a reasonable article. It even has a CBS video source(1). It is a leg…

You are waaaay overthinking it. Probably was just flagged to death because people are getting overloaded with NSA stories, especially when there is no new additions. I would probably have flagged it if I saw it, doesn't really advance the discussion and frankly, I don't come to HN for politics.

alan_cx is not describing a scenario that fits with the explanation of being "flagged to death."

Alan is speaking about the "new" page, where you will routinely see dead articles if you have showdead enabled. In fact, if you reload the new page frequently you can see many articles that become dead the moment (effectively) they are posted. This isn't flagging; it's an automatic mechanism. It may be an automatic mechanism informed by previous heavy flagging of other articles from the same domain or any number of other heuristics, but it happens too quickly for it to be the result of user action on the specific article.

As far as I can tell, flagging affects the sorting algorithm for the home page (use of the user script "HN Slapdown" allows you to visualize each article's score versus its rank order, providing color coding to indicate heavily-flagged articles) but I have not in my admittedly short HN experience ever seen an article become dead as a direct result of flagging.

I have my own misgivings about the rigid title-normalization policy so I appreciate him and the op taking the time to ask some questions.

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