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Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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With those scores I doubt you will have much trouble in school. And if you are in-state for UT-Austin I doubt it is too expensive. You may just want to do android and web dev now, but nobody knows what will be important 10 years from now. The skills you pick up in college, as well as the credentials, may prove to be useful.

>if you are in-state for UT-Austin I doubt it is too expensive. I am in-state and I have some money in savings so I could probably manage it well. >nobody knows what will be important 10 years from now That's one of my fears about going to college. Perhaps it's irrational but I have this feeling that I'll miss out on prime opportunities which might not be available after I graduate. >The skills you pick up in college…

Something that no one has mentioned here, you will have a HUGE amount of free time at college. Far, far more than you will have if you go get a job.

If you are more interested in starting/continuing to run your own projects than working on someone else's, then I would- without a doubt- go to school.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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> "you might miss out on learning things you wouldn't self-study." This is true: it would be wise to be honest with yourself on this point. I've personally read more textbooks since graduating than I did in college; it's not impossible, but it is very very hard to stay focused in self-study.

I completely agree. I know that I won't be able to self-teach everything that I would learn in college.

This is maybe not true given the right parameters. Typically, people "self-study" on a whim. Probably in the evenings or on weekends. They go for about 30 minutes and then quit, saying, "I feel good about this, I'm going to study like this 3x a week."

And then they utterly faily, because self-study is not one of their pre-established habits.

If you make a schedule mimicking a college curriculum (during the weekday, with a lunch hour, 15 minute breaks, etc) like you would with an actual class, and use the "tuition money" to pay instead for a good desk with ample room for notes and a solid reading light, then I bet almost anyone could do a college education on their own.

It's all mental, and in my experience, mindsets can be changed with the right training. It's like learning to brush your teeth, except you're an adult now.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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NO NO NO NO NO NO!!! There are only three fields that require a college education: law, medicine and engineering. Furthermore, college educations in America are grossly overpriced. You will have a degree that doesn't get you anything more in 4 years than working your ass off will get you 4 years from now, plus you'll have loads of debt. DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME, TALENT OR MONEY ON COLLEGE!!! If you want a long, reasone…

I went for a few years and completely agree with this, you'll learn as slow as the rest of the class, with arbitrary restrictions all over the place; it's an increasingly less effective relic of the industrial age, don't waste your time.

How do you assume someone will "learn as slow as the rest of the class"? I am currently in college and while the pace is that of the slowest person it does not mean that you cannot learn more than them. Actually, I like going slower. It gives me more time to focus on my skill development and at the same time I can help my peers with their issues (which is great if I already overcame the same issue!). College has taught me to become more patient, to find love of others through knowledge, and to work hard.

Maybe it was a waste of time to you, but I hardly think that giving someone advice to skip college because YOU think its a waste of time is a bad decision. Are you sure you didn't miss a few things while you were there? Might want to reconsider.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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You have 30-50+ years of being forced to work. Go to college while someone is willing to send you.

Internships at web startups are a fool's game. You can be freelancing while going to school, making money, and gaining valuable experience.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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I completely agree. I know that I won't be able to self-teach everything that I would learn in college.

This is maybe not true given the right parameters. Typically, people "self-study" on a whim. Probably in the evenings or on weekends. They go for about 30 minutes and then quit, saying, "I feel good about this, I'm going to study like this 3x a week." And then they utterly faily, because self-study is not one of their pre-established habits. If you make a schedule mimicking a college curriculum (during the weekday, w…

The bigger point though is that college isn't all mental. If you went through college hunched over a desk studying, and doing nothing else, then sure, you can replicate that at home.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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I went for a few years and completely agree with this, you'll learn as slow as the rest of the class, with arbitrary restrictions all over the place; it's an increasingly less effective relic of the industrial age, don't waste your time.

How do you assume someone will "learn as slow as the rest of the class"? I am currently in college and while the pace is that of the slowest person it does not mean that you cannot learn more than them. Actually, I like going slower. It gives me more time to focus on my skill development and at the same time I can help my peers with their issues (which is great if I already overcame the same issue!). College has taug…

To add to your point about going slower: You can also attend your professors' office hours and dig deeper into the subjects your classmates are forcing you to learn so slowly. Depending on the course, they'll often have additional reading you can do on any given subject being covered. As a bonus, your professors will love you.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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There was a similar thread on this topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6142978.

Let me add my thoughts:

1. In this current climate, your lack of a college degree will not affect your hiring chances. Blue chip tech companies like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Facebook care slightly more, but even then, four years of quality work experience will actually, in my opinion, put you ahead. I get the feeling that when people on this thread talk about HR, they are talking about the job recruiting processes at other non Goog/Apple/Msft/Amz/Fb firms that are not as software-focused. Those firms in my experience are a lot more meritocratic. I didn't have a college education when my resume got through Apple's recruiter filter, and when I got an in-person interview with Amazon.

2. However, the current job climate in SV is quite unique. The job market is so hot that, as you can see in the linked thread, people with 1 year of experience can get 120k job offers as web/mobile developers (take into account that SV is very expensive to live in). The central question is: what is the job market going to look like in the future? If the market crashes in the next 2 years, not only will you have a hard time finding a job, but so will even those with CS degrees (by no means am I saying that those with CS degrees will be ahead in that case).

3. I think there is a good chance of you getting a summer internship in the coming summer. Do you have any family in the Bay Area that you could stay with? Make sure it is a paid internship - unpaid internships are generally correlated with low quality.

4. There are other non-tangible reasons to go to school: the social experience, meeting girls (or guys), etc. If you're a 18/19 year-old guy it can be quite hard to date in SV working at a startup, esp. since everyone your age is in school. It's for this reason that I chose to go to school.

5. Consider a compromise (see linked thread): Get a great internship over the summer, preferably with a well-known startup or tech company. Do well and ask for a full-time offer, which will allow you to bypass the normal interview process. Defer admission to UT Austin for 1 year (a so-called gap year, you'll have to look into their admissions policies more closely or contact the admissions office to see if that is allowed - also see what kind of deadline you have for declaring that you're deferring). Work for a year, and at the end of the year, evaluate this again.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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There was a similar thread on this topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6142978 . Let me add my thoughts: 1. In this current climate, your lack of a college degree will not affect your hiring chances. Blue chip tech companies like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Facebook care slightly more, but even then, four years of quality work experience will actually, in my opinion, put you ahead. I get the fe…

Thanks for the link.

1. That's good to hear.

2. I am a bit worried about that, which is why I want to take advantage of the opportunity now rather than four years from now when it might not be available.

3. I do have family to stay with there.

4. That's definitely true but I personally value money/opportunity/career to dating.

5. My plan right now is to do exactly that. I am a bit worried about how a gap year will affect my scholarship opportunities though.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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Go to school. You'll have an uphill battle for the rest of your life if you don't. Your resume will always be viewed with a bit of suspicion if you don't have a degree, you'll be expected to do more to prove there aren't gaps in your self-education. That's if anyone looks are your resume at all, many places HR won't bother without the degree. A github profile and a network of people who know your skills are both huge…

Plus: girls and things that aren't CS.

Creativity needs outside experiences and knowledge not in your domain to flourish. Go to college - it's one of the easiest places to get a large breadth of that stuff.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need to go to college?

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Both of my parents are professors so I've had a lot of pressure to choose to go to college but I really appreciate everyone's input on this. I think the best decision is to go to college while simultaneously building side projects, contributing to open source, doing freelance/remote work, etc. I have a follow-up question, however: With my qualifications, how likely is it that I could land an internship in San Francis…

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