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Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

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Are there any countries, anywhere, where a person can store data outside the reach of the US government's illegal overreach? Any countries friendly to the US are right out. They can tap the lines, but there are ways around that. I just want to be able to park data where some twit with a piece of paper that says "NSA" on it can't get it retrieved or deleted. Any suggestions?

Iceland should be OK

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

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For the unfamiliar: Lavabit was a webmail service, that (claimed to) encrypt emails in such a way that they literally did not have access to the content stored on their own servers. The linked email would lend some credence to those claims. It was originally designed in contrast to gmail scanning your email for targeted advertising, but my imperfect memory says that their system should also have been resilient to "we…

And this reads as if someone was trying to force him to install means to spy on his users, and it wouldn't be surprising if the aim was to spy on Snowden directly (if he really used this service).

More likely he was compelled to turn over emails relating to the case, and he doesn't want to have to be forced to do that again, so he's shutting down the service.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

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Time to donate to the EFF. They haven't been branded as a terrorist charity yet, AFAIK...

The head of the NSA branded them as "the next terrorists". http://www.salon.com/2013/08/06/cyberscare_ex_nsa_chief_call...

Former head, and he was talking about the extremists who might attack Google or Microsoft, not lobbying groups like the EFF.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

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Time to donate to the EFF. They haven't been branded as a terrorist charity yet, AFAIK...

Don't give ideas. Too bad that he does not have donations page. I would gladly donate. Also - respect for the decision he made. If he kickstarts a campaign for restoring the service I will be there too.

Do you mean Lavabit? There's a donation link at the end of the post.

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Sounds like any country willing to guarantee a snoop free environment could have a lot of servers hosted there. I'm thinking the Caymen islands of data. Set up a shell company and a shell server in the Caymens to protect your money and your customers.

This is sort of what Sealand data haven was supposed to be.

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I don't think canaries are effective. You can't get around a court order just by mental gymnastics, they'll hold you in contempt. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I suspect that they'd simply order you to keep updating the canary.

I'm also unsure of their proven effectiveness, but how could they hold you in contempt for _not_ taking an action?

I'm sure they would argue that you weren't supposed to reveal that you were under an NSL, and that your inaction did reveal it, so you violated the terms. As the grandparent says, it probably just a cute legal trick that wouldn't impress a judge.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

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I've had a lavabit email as one of my main emails for years (close to when they first started) and this is a major inconvenience. I'm not sure I'll be able to change the email address associated with a lot of my various accounts now that they're offline.

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

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I'd love to believe that the authorities in Germany are not also tapping lines like France or the UK. Do we have any proof that is the case? I agree this has made me think twice about hosting in the us, but also about crossing national boundaries full stop without encrypting traffic.

If you're German, would you prefer to be surveilled by the German government or by both the US and German governments? If you're in the US it seems kinda pointless to try to move to overseas hosting; the NSA will probably just focus on the client side.

Under data sharing agreements, if the NSA takes an interest, your data will probably go to them without questions or oversight. Drone bases (Ramstein) and listening stations (Dagger Complex) are located in Germany, and Germany was one of the most targeted locations in the boundless informant set of slides. It's probably illegal, and hopefully will be challenged in court, but it does apparently go on on a massive scale, with or without our consent.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/bild-908609-515222...

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The head of the NSA branded them as "the next terrorists". http://www.salon.com/2013/08/06/cyberscare_ex_nsa_chief_call...

> “nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years” Now that's a generalization if I ever heard one.

These people are in for another rude awakening.[1]

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_activists

Re: Lavabit abruptly shuts down

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For the unfamiliar: Lavabit was a webmail service, that (claimed to) encrypt emails in such a way that they literally did not have access to the content stored on their own servers. The linked email would lend some credence to those claims. It was originally designed in contrast to gmail scanning your email for targeted advertising, but my imperfect memory says that their system should also have been resilient to "we…

Well, he may not have been able to hand over the old data, but he may have been asked to include an exploit for all mail going forward. That could have been as simple as the authorities inserting some middleware.

Perhaps such a request is why they have shut down?
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