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Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Yeah, they're trying to remove the settings that people set to goof up their browsers from the look of this. There's this one, too: "Load images automatically" and Always show the tab bar" checkboxes removed from preferences and reset to defaults

Exactly, and if you're so inclined to have those options set in a certain (and don't want to do so through some other addon like NoScript) you can set it in about:config.

The primary problem is that the about:config flag for hiding tabs is ineffective so there is more to the solution than just looking deeper into the config menus.

I agree that these options are for power users, but my fear is that soon after they relegate the ability to disable javascript to the bowels of the application, they will soon remove it entirely. And that this decision is in fact not driven just by the fact that it is seldom used, but driven more-so by the corporate interests they hold with advertising and other online entities that serve not for the browser users, but their own corporate interests. This fundamentally collides with the intent of the Mozilla foundations purpose and this behavior must stop.

The ability to disable javascript has been on the main screen of the options panel because it serves a very important purpose.

Also the ability to not show tabs when browsing a single web page because for that use case, it is more optimal to not show a tab and waste the screen real estate on dead space.

They have fundamentally altered the Firefox browser in a fundamental way that is not configurable and have not provided reasonable alternative.

I refuse to accept any so called "Add-On". These features are not to be pushed off into to the extremities of the community and be forgot about. I firmly believe that any such browser serving only the interests of the user would see these features as being non-optional options and should exist in perpetuity for the life of that software.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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You're right, everything else I can think of is worse for data, tables are pretty good for that (minus the weird vertical centering thing that sometimes happens in cells.) But seeing tables being used for layout annoys me far more than the blink tag.

> But seeing tables being used for layout annoys me far more than the blink tag. How come? CSS positioning is pretty unintuitive, and sometimes it's just easier to get something working with tables. If the end results look fine, what's the problem? Table-based layouts aren't in-your-face like the blink tag was. Oh, and don't view-source on HN ;)

I believe discouraging the use of tables for layouts is accessibility based. Screen readers have a really hard time parsing them correctly.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Let this day go down in history as the day we declared our independence from the tyrannical Mozilla organization and their corporate-interest driven and oppressive removal of our freedoms and ability to customize our browser. We shall not be stricken down by their restrictive and non-representational releases of firefox... instead we choose to be empowered by the option to disable things such as javascript, and tabbe…

there's bugs for each of these (which are open to the world and anyone can comment) all you have to do is to take a stance during the process. harder to do so after a bunch of various people (employed or not by mozilla) decided something. pretty sure those options went off because enough people decided that the preferences/option panel was too complicated and these were the ones that telemetry indicated were the leas…

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Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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wasn't actually abused; it just happened to be the best way to do things until CSS 2.1 was rolled out.

There are still use-cases where using is the cleanest way to achieve something without resorting to javascript (or a soup tag).

Like what? I buy the use case of using a table for data, but are you implying there's other scenarios where using table elements are the best choice?

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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post #33

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there's bugs for each of these (which are open to the world and anyone can comment) all you have to do is to take a stance during the process. harder to do so after a bunch of various people (employed or not by mozilla) decided something. pretty sure those options went off because enough people decided that the preferences/option panel was too complicated and these were the ones that telemetry indicated were the leas…

Surely he was kidding?

This is no joke brother... We will not rest until this issue is heard in the highest of courts. First they came for our tags and we laughed... then they came for our options to disable tabbed browser, and they said nothing... then they came for our option to not be tracked by online advertising agencies (javascript) and everyone was too busy sharing kitten photos on facebook to say a damned thing.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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post #33

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there's bugs for each of these (which are open to the world and anyone can comment) all you have to do is to take a stance during the process. harder to do so after a bunch of various people (employed or not by mozilla) decided something. pretty sure those options went off because enough people decided that the preferences/option panel was too complicated and these were the ones that telemetry indicated were the leas…

Surely he was kidding?

Yeah. It's satire about overreactions that are so prevalent on many tech sites (including this one). Colbert would be proud.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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post #40

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Surely he was kidding?

Yeah. It's satire about overreactions that are so prevalent on many tech sites (including this one). Colbert would be proud.

We have already begun to gather near Mozilla HQ in San Francisco...

https://socialcam.com/v/39HPvZde

Protesters can be heard chanting:

"WHAT DO WE WANT?"

"The ability to disable tabbed browsing"

"WHEN DO WE WANT IT"

"Possibly in the next point release, but the next major is cool too"

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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post #37
post #15

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Yeah, they're trying to remove the settings that people set to goof up their browsers from the look of this. There's this one, too: "Load images automatically" and Always show the tab bar" checkboxes removed from preferences and reset to defaults

> Always show the tab bar Which way I'd this one going to go? On or of? And the fact that I have to ask tells me that maybe they should not have removed the option.

Tab bar will be always visible. The fact that you have to ask means nothing, because you are one person. Decisions get made based on data, not anecdotes.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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There are still use-cases where using is the cleanest way to achieve something without resorting to javascript (or a soup tag).

Like what? I buy the use case of using a table for data, but are you implying there's other scenarios where using table elements are the best choice?

Email for one.
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