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Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#61

This is exactly what I've been looking for! It seems the product is aimed at technical users (at least initially), though there are some technical details I didn't see in the video, description or FAQ: - This is an MUA, correct? Based on the features on the project page, it sounds like MailPile will not act as an MTA or MDA, and is predominantly interfacing with mbox/maildir. I see features for IMAP and POP3 on the r…

Also check lavabit.com

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

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It‘s still decidedly aimed at techies though. I guess it'll be another few years before the benefits of a Free Software Gmail competitor will be accessible to the layman.

Hi there. I'm the UI/UX designer on the Mailpile team. Making every aspect of MP easy for non-techies is my primary concern. We aim to be easier than Wordpress with our Alpha release in Jan 2014. Please give me any feedback concerns with out to achieve this goal :)

Feedback: IMAP and POP3 would let everyone continue to use the native apps that they know and love for their UX. The web sucks for apps. It just does. Making robust dedicated native apps for each major platform would be a real differentiator.

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#64
Nitpicking:

Thumbnails shouldn't be high-res pictures that actually are scaled to stamp proportions. It's slow to appear on poor connection and for a moment I thought there were no screenshots and just words like "compose". And it slows down my poor 2nd gen asus notebook.

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding your addendum, if you really view the people as incompetent idiots, I'd argue you're not all that interested in winning them as friends. In any case, just give the person the information they need without attacking them -- they won't feel defensive and they'll probably feel pretty stupid on their own. For bonus points, try to empathize and think about something stupid you once did -- surely you've done some…

i don't deny doing stupid things. look, here's an example from my recent posting history - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6121287 and the follow-up http://www.acooke.org/cute/HyperloopW0.html#Mon29Jul20132135... what depresses me is that people don't admit it, learn, and move on. instead we get "well, i am showing how important it is to make this information more explicit because everyone else is as dumb as i a…

When you view the world as being filled with incompetent idiots, you're seeing the world through your own filter...not anybody elses. Realize that everybody on the face of the planet has their own filter. Human relationships are built upon being able to empathize with others and perhaps glimpse life through their filter.

Not seeing the fork ribbon in the upper-right isn't about someone being "dumb" anymore than you not knowing how to change your own oil, fix a leaky faucet, put in a new electrical outlet or build a fucking house, makes you dumb.

You didn't just "simply point" out the correct answer. You added, "you really can't have looked very hard." which is an assumption on your part; a conclusion you reached based on your filter of the "world seems to be populated by incompetent idiots".

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

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I'm in the crowdfunding business, so I feel strange saying this, but I'm really turned off by this model of 'pay us in advance for developing a product that hasn't been market tested or validated,' especially when asking for a sum as large as is $100,000.

What happened to building something and selling it?

According to the campaign page, the need is so great because:

"We're asking for a lot of money, so of course you should know why. $100.000 means paying two people $4166 a month for a year, including all taxes, insurance and other fees."

I suppose people get what they pay for, but I find it insulting to ask me to pay your salary for a year so that you can avoid risk.

If you were truly concerned about online privacy, you'd build it anyway. So is privacy the mission, or the pitch?

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a big red line across the top right corner pointing to github (and licencing info there). there's another link to github near the end. apologies for a previous post that used strong language, but you really can't have looked very hard. (you know, i just read chapter 2 of 'how to win friends and influence people' which tells me that criticising people never works because they simply work harder to justify them…

Regarding your addendum, if you really view the people as incompetent idiots, I'd argue you're not all that interested in winning them as friends. In any case, just give the person the information they need without attacking them -- they won't feel defensive and they'll probably feel pretty stupid on their own. For bonus points, try to empathize and think about something stupid you once did -- surely you've done some…

Sorry for the off-topic

what i understood from reading the book making friends and influencing people, i thought that the "friends" he refers to are Customers/Business contacts.

which is often a lot off from our definition of friends (or at least mine...)

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#69
It is very good you are attacking this problem, but is this the right way to attack the email problem?

According to Paul Graham frightening startup ideas http://www.paulgraham.com/ambitious.html, email is a bad ToDo list, How are you going to implement a better Todo list?

I have created a alpha prototype which attacks these problems conceptually, namely, Message Classification, Message Sharing, Bidirectional Messaging, Pull Messaging, Sender Revocation, Message Expiry, Centralized Attachment etc as a Mobile App but approached this as a separate todo protocol using the Push Messaging Infrastructure.

You can download the working app from Google Play https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=priya.pullgrid... and can see a website created http://www.pullworld.com (Undocumented - You can download the Frontend App Html Source - Have not even shared in HN as Show HN because it is incomplete in documentation). The purpose of the Prototype is just as a proof of concept and not really to solve the email problem.

I would love to share my knowledge/architecture if you are interested, so that you can really attack this problem as envisaged by pg and since you are planning to do it open source and with email, would love to contribute if you are thinking of mobile in the future using Html/OpenGL based client.

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#70

This is exactly what I've been looking for! It seems the product is aimed at technical users (at least initially), though there are some technical details I didn't see in the video, description or FAQ: - This is an MUA, correct? Based on the features on the project page, it sounds like MailPile will not act as an MTA or MDA, and is predominantly interfacing with mbox/maildir. I see features for IMAP and POP3 on the r…

Thanks! The idea is you run Mailpile on a machine you control (it is an MUA), either your laptop (and connect to localhost) or a home server like a plug computer or something like that - basically somewhere where you feel comfortable storing your secret keys.

And yes, API access to mail is something we already support, every "command" can return either HTML, plain text or JSON. Probably XML to come as well.

We'll have to help with key management, otherwise it won't be usable by normal folks.

Mobile web support, yes, probably sooner than later.

Hope this clarifies!

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