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XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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> How can they feel good about what they are doing? You'd be amazed. https://twitter.com/_nothingtohide

Seems to me that people aren't too concerned of nameless, faceless people looking through their stuff so long as people they know (parents, spouse, friends..) don't see it.

Nameless, faceless people can show it to their parents, spouse, or friends, or threaten to.

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I'm calling this a troll.

If you or I was in charge of the NSA there would not be a visual basic interface or a select foreignness dropdown. I'm calling bullshit on this.

Wait, are you talking and agreeing with yourself?

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This bit both somewhat limits the impact and makes Greenwald et. al.'s claims that most everything is being Hoovered up a lot more credible: " The XKeyscore system is continuously collecting so much internet data that it can be stored only for short periods of time. Content remains on the system for only three to five days, while metadata is stored for 30 days. One document explains: "At some sites, the amount of dat…

I would imagine that their top priority since 2008 has been improving storage systems. It's clear that their ultimate goal is a fully indexed archive of the entire digital universe.

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You're both right. If you read the PATRIOT Act, it's easy to look backwards and see that the things we're becoming aware of now are logical extensions of what was being asked for way back then. It is, however, VERY easy not to have been able to have that foresight, and I think that the insights people were expecting the government to have been constrained by the fact that all the information of value is collected by…

If Richard Stallman is quietly berating us somewhere, he can go fuck himself. Part of educating the masses is being a person who people want to listen to. If he failed at that, he's no better than anyone else, and perhaps far worse, because of all the lost potential.

In my experience, telling people to do something hard (open source, keep privacy, etc.) in the face of a barely perceived danger (government is coming to get you) is kind of a hard message to get heard.

Aside from that, I didn't mean to seriously suggest that he's out there passing judgement on us so much as I was attempting to acknowledge how hypocritical we are for having disregarded his message because of his eccentricities. I think your statement, that he should actively try to be more popular for us to care, is further proof of how wrong we are to be that way.

In an ideal world, your response would have made a perfect satire of how Americans are likely to react in the face of the responsible elder telling us to eat our proverbial vegetables. That is isn't saddens me.

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>This is overwhelming. Even when you always hear the claims about we knew this was going on, somehow it is still shocking when you see it all laid out infront of you with screenshots and the capabilities described. It has become a bit of a pet peeve of mine recently to see self-aggrandizing comments from users around the net about how "we should have known" and "none of this is new." I'm a practically addicted news j…

First of all: keep the staggering to a minimum. Second: realizing that "we should have known" and "none of this is new" isn't so much about reading news articles and being "plugged in", but rather having an understanding of how the Internet works. To oversimplify greatly, you're essentially playing a very precise game of telephone between around 10-20 different people, and usually about 1-3 different publicly-owned c…

Maybe I am just having trouble seeing the point of "see I was right all along"? Why would we be upset at the newcomers to the ranks of the enlightened? I would prefer to just nod, point to the preexisting evidence, instead of driving people away with unproductive "I told you so" hostility.

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This is overwhelming. Even when you always hear the claims about we knew this was going on, somehow it is still shocking when you see it all laid out infront of you with screenshots and the capabilities described. I can see how they get HTTP information, since they would intercept at transit hubs - but how are they getting all Facebook private messages and Gmail? I was also looking for another unique ID that users ar…

> how are they getting all Facebook private messages and Gmail? Perhaps you missed the news about PRISM? :)

PRISM allows them to retrieve individual users' messages via a FISA court order. It doesn't allow analysts to instantly obtain private data for any user they want. :)

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Surely the question on everyone's mind is: how good is incognito mode???

It's not. It's only just a way to visit sites without a record being stored on your computer. Read the warning. For example, Firefox's private browsing mode states: > While this computer won't have a record of your browsing history, your internet service provider or employer can still track the pages you visit. They should include government spooks in that warning!

Chromes warning does include govt iirc

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300 "terrorists" caught for a few billion people's privacy completely destroyed at a price tag of 100 Billion (pulled out of my ass obviously). Absurdity at its finest.

How many of these "terrorists" were just young men suffering typical teenage angst, and happened to be of the wrong religion?

"Asked how many terrorism cases were cracked using U.S. phone records, John “Chris” Inglis, NSA’s deputy director, answered that a dozen domestic terrorism investigations had made use of the records. But Inglis could cite only one in which the records were instrumental: a group of men from San Diego who sent $8,500 to Al Qaeda-linked militants in Somalia. One of the defendants in that case was discovered when a known terrorist phone number in Somalia was compared against the database, Inglis said."[1]

[1]http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-secret-nsa-survei...

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Slide 13 just got slightly redacted. http://imgur.com/a/SVerP#0

Because it has someone's personal data in it, and the Guardian respects privacy - unlike the NSA, who use it in presentations. That's the only reason they've redacted anything, if you look at where the slides sit in context.

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Why would Google (or anyone) link to them directly? with fiber no less! this stuff is alarming enough no need for FUD. This XKS business seems about intercepting non-encrypted traffic as the references to HTTP payload quoted in the article would suggest.

> Why would Google (or anyone) link to them directly? with fiber no less! "They have no direct access to our servers" I wonder what a beam splitter consists of. Oh. A PRISM.

Beam splitters are, in general, not prisms. A prism, as traditionally referred-to (and in the NSA PRISM graphic) separates light of different wavelengths. In a signal tap, you want to split the intensity, not the wavelength. In simplest form, telecom signals are at a single wavelength; passing it through a 'Dark side of the moon' prism will only deflect the beam, not split it.

When one refers to a beamsplitter, it's usually a partially silvered mirror.

http://www.thorlabs.us/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=914

If it's fancy, it might use an evanescent wave to do the coupling, as in some cube beamsplitters.

Beamsplitters for optical fiber are more generally referred to as 'couplers' and involve bringing two fiber cores close enough for a long enough distance that the probability of coupling light from one to the other is the desired amount.

http://www.thorlabs.us/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=374

It is possible to split beams with a birefringent prism, but it is much less common.

http://www.thorlabs.us/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=745 http://www.thorlabs.us/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=917

Disclaimer for the following: I only work with optical fiber couplers occasionally, and not for telecom. Someone who works on telecom fibers daily will be more informed.

In summary, if someone wanted me to tap an optical fiber, I'd call up ThorLabs, get a matching coupler shipped overnight, cut the relevant fiber, slap APC ends on the fiber ends, and jack in. Splitting the beam in free space (outside of a fiber) with a prism is far more errorprone, unstable, and no more efficient. A fiber coupler has no moving parts, can't break, and won't take down a telecom's trunk line if someone breathes on it funny.

If they're actually using a prism, it's because of some sort of impedance/reflection minimization scheme; I can't conjure one that would work better than using simpler techniques though.

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