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Post by moubarak »

icebraining wrote: post #113
moubarak wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you had no reason to offend another religion. you take religion lightly. you should be educated on other cultures. it is not smart to see people dying for their religion all around the world, and then go around offending them claiming that it is your digital right. that is extremely apathetic. im against you being jailed, but i am with you being outcast from society until you appreciate other people's cultures. You d…

What if his culture is anti-religious? Aren't you being offensive by saying he should appreciate religious cultures?

there is respect even between enemies. if his religion is anti religious, then he should respect them even more because they are his opponents. taking your enemies lightly is reckless.

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Post by muyuu »

cpursley wrote: post #118
jacquesm wrote: post #107

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Slight problem, elsewhere in the thread he says his passport is confiscated.

There are other ways. There are millions of people in the USA and Europe without passports.

If they are not nationals, they are illegals.

If it's not a very long sentence, OP is better off trying that after he's done with it. Maybe ask for asylum, but afterwards.

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Post by moubarak »

mnazim wrote: post #95
moubarak wrote: post #75

if anyone here helped you it would be a real shame for HN. if you did offend another religion and rightly convicted then you should pay the price of your apathy and recklessness. jail should not be the price you have to pay, but instead you she be outcast by the community, at least on HN.

This is exactly the kind of emotional ranting, that has created a negative opinion against Muslims. Assuming he/she is 100% wrong in what he/she did, why should the punishment be more than the crime? Why outcast? Isn't doing the sentence enough? And if it's not enough, then the damn law needs fixing.

i said not jail, but outcast, until he learns to respect other cultures. then he is welcome again. that is 100 times better than jail.

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Post by mnazim »

moubarak wrote: post #114
icebraining wrote: post #105

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I find your post offensive. Please outcast yourself.

how did i insult you? i'd like to know before outcasting myself.

You insulted him by showing apathy towards his religiously held beliefs for a just law and proportionate punishment for the crime and his dislike for mob justice as you proposed in your earlier post.

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icebraining, I couldn't have used better words than those.

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Post by VLM »

GrumpySimon wrote: post #49
ballard wrote: post #37

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Australia or perhaps Canada

Don't go to Australia. We're mostly locking up asylum-seekers on small off-shore island detention centers. This is not a good thing.

Hmm spend time in a civilized nation's prison or 3rd world prison... doesn't seem hard to decide.

(Insert joke about not sure if the .au prison is the civilized one or the 3rd world one ... oh oh look what I just said, now I'm about to be sharing a cell with OP)

This goes double for the Norway comparison... whats the worst thing they can do to you in a Norway prison, serve lutefisk for dinner?

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Post by alinajaf »

moubarak wrote: post #116
alinajaf wrote: post #112

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Well that attitude offends my religion. By your own logic you should be arrested, thrown in jail and outcast from society.

yes if you can prove i offended your religion then i should be outcast. when did i exclude myself?

I am a secular humanist. As part of my faith, I believe that human beings have an inalienable right to freedom of speech without fear of persecution. I find your advocation of outcasting from society those who say things that you find offensive as offensive as you would find a Quran being flushed down a toilet. There's the door.

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Post by fian »

GrumpySimon wrote: post #49
ballard wrote: post #37

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Australia or perhaps Canada

Don't go to Australia. We're mostly locking up asylum-seekers on small off-shore island detention centers. This is not a good thing.

Only those that come by boat. Many many more asylum seekers come by plane which is not such a problem. Detaining boat people is meant to deter others risking their lives the same way.

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Post by jeswin »

ryan-allen wrote: post #106

I disagree with my country's laws, and sometimes do flaunt them. If I were to be caught and had to serve a prison sentence, who am I to blame? I knew the risk, and I took it. I might disagree and think it unfair, but those are the rules of the game. I don't mean to be insensitive but if you willingly break your country's rules then you have to accept the retribution that is dealt out. This is the cost of being outspo…

If you break unjust laws there is no reason to accept whatever punishment the law mandates. In fact, I'd argue that the right thing to do is to not forfeit your freedom. Note that OP wasn't posting to escape punishment. He was asking for advice on keeping the site alive.

Also, and perhaps more importantly, someone is about to be imprisoned for a lengthy period for exercising free speech.

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Post by GrinningFool »

jacquesm wrote: post #80
moubarak wrote: post #75

if anyone here helped you it would be a real shame for HN. if you did offend another religion and rightly convicted then you should pay the price of your apathy and recklessness. jail should not be the price you have to pay, but instead you she be outcast by the community, at least on HN.

Right, because offending a religion is reason enough to become an outcast. What is this, the digital dark ages? Religion should be a force to unite people in something positive, not a way for a bunch of sub-groups to tell others how to live their lives. Offense is in the eye of the beholder, what offends me is that there are people that would jail others based on insulting religions. And I say that as an atheist, my…

As someone raised where I was raised, I agree with you.

As someone firmly rooted in reality - I can't. When we participate in a community (be it religious or otherwise, be it of our own informed choice or not) we are bound by the rules of that community. When we knowingly break the rules of that community, we implicitly accept the potential consequences.

No matter how petty or offensive it seems that insulting a religion is grounds for imprisonment -- within the context of that community this is not something up for debate.

You say that the religion's rules "should not be" part of the rules that run a country. Maybe to your view and mine, this is true - but to the view of a sufficient number of people who actually make up that community, this is not true.

If enough people question it, then the rules of the community will change. But unfortunately, such change will require a critical mass of people breaking those rules - and being willing accept the consequences.

And unfortunately, it's that simple.

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