Leave the country if possible. I obviously can't know what kind of anti religious posts you have made and what your history on that matter is, but if it isn't hate speech that encourages others to discriminate or do anything else illegal there definitely would be some countries that would give you asylum. The other option if you want to accept going into prison for whatever reason (maybe it is just a few months, or y…
Australia or perhaps Canada
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#102Escape the country. Going into a foreign embassy is not gonna do you any good. "The Free World" spies on, and jails its own people, and it will not risk another Mohammad cartoongate helping you. So don't even think about requesting asylum at an embassy. Sell all you own and head to the nearest border/coastal town. Pay off smugglers or fishermen and get the fuck out.
Sell your stuff, get currency, use your international connections. It's going to be the hardest thing you've ever done, but liberty is the most important. Who knows what will happen in prison and for how long they will detain you.
Also, depending on how technically competent your government is, you need to get all your services offshore now: Wuala for storage (like dropbox - based in Switzerland); Runbox for email (based in Norway); servers in somewhere like Europe or other nearby friendly countries that provide sufficient bandwidth... Burner phone, TOR, careful about your online presence, etc. In the meantime, move locally and rent a place cash under the table where address won't be registered. Basically, become invisible to your government.
Then you want to move your business domicile and bank accounts elsewhere if feasible so your local government can't confiscate your business once you do leave. Read into the 5-flag theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_traveler
You're entrepreneurial, intellectually curious, freedom-loving - rotting away in prison would be a waste of great talent and not to mention a human rights violation. Starting a startup is hard enough as it is, it's important. But not as important as liberty. If you plan correctly, you can have both. Obviously, I (or likely none of us on here) cant fully empathize with your situation - best of luck!!
Edit: Are you in Singapore? I know Singapore is socially strict, but I thought it was secular. If you're in Malaysia, it's a different story. Moving your domicile and bank accounts to Singapore might make a lot of sense if you're in Malaysia.
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#103if anyone here helped you it would be a real shame for HN. if you did offend another religion and rightly convicted then you should pay the price of your apathy and recklessness. jail should not be the price you have to pay, but instead you she be outcast by the community, at least on HN.
Right, because offending a religion is reason enough to become an outcast. What is this, the digital dark ages? Religion should be a force to unite people in something positive, not a way for a bunch of sub-groups to tell others how to live their lives. Offense is in the eye of the beholder, what offends me is that there are people that would jail others based on insulting religions. And I say that as an atheist, my…
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#104How hard is it to keep it alive? Can I do it for you while you get your stuff sorted out? Do you have a decent lawyer? Would that make a difference? Let me know (email in profile), I'll gladly help you if I can. I second the calls to leave your country but I can see that this may not always be an option.
I have a decent lawyer. It isn't hard to keep alive; heck, I've been running it pretty half-assed for the past almost 2 years. Still, I cannot abandon it totally. Also, I don't think it makes enough revenue to warrant hiring anyone to take care of it, I think. I'd make a loss. And since familiarising with the current code base etc. may require a lot of effort, way more effort than anyone would care to dedicate, unles…
What is your (honest) estimate of the code quality / time to familiarize?
What about those bugs, are they things that you could conceivably still do before you go to jail? Would it be acceptable if they were there as long as you were gone? (after all, they are there right now).
You're in Singapore?
How do you intend to deal with the financial side of this? (I take it there is a small business to be run as well to keep the lights on).
I can see a few options:
- blindly trust some random stranger (probably a bad idea!)
- give the company in trust to your lawyer while you are
away to run on your behalf
- get a friend up to speed in the time remaining and turn
the site over to them before you go.
Keeping the lights on is basically what you're asking for but the bit that I'm missing still in your plan is that you are right now probably promoting your site as well, which is one of the reasons it is working. Mothballing it with the marketing stopped will only work if the period without active work on the site is not too long, it may take more effort to keep it at the level where it is right now if the time is longer.You'd have to expect that no matter what by the time you get out of jail (how long do you expect to go away for?) the business will have shrunk or will have died.
Good to see you at least have a decent lawyer, that may be an important part of the solution.
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#105if anyone here helped you it would be a real shame for HN. if you did offend another religion and rightly convicted then you should pay the price of your apathy and recklessness. jail should not be the price you have to pay, but instead you she be outcast by the community, at least on HN.
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#106I don't mean to be insensitive but if you willingly break your country's rules then you have to accept the retribution that is dealt out. This is the cost of being outspoken, or revolutionary, or straight out insurgency. Being a HN regular and entrepreneur I'd hope that would be self evident.
Maybe the West has sold you on the idea that you can go against the grain and not pay for it, that's certainly what the western so-called revolutionaries seem to demonstrate. How long do you think Chomsky would last in Russia?
Some people in this thread suggest you move to San Francisco. It would have been ideal if you were born there instead. In SF you can go against the grain and pay nothing for it (and then advise the rest of the world to 'rebel'). What great heroes they are.
Where you are from it looks like if you upset the authorities you pay a hard price. I hope you feel strongly about your actions.
Today a US intelligence analyst was convicted of espionage by a US military court. He was pushing boundaries he knew to be illegal in his arena and now he's paying the price. His actions will be remembered for better or worse for decades to come, and he paid the price.
He didn't grow up in San Francisco, like you. I wish you the best and hope for a positive outcome.
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#107Escape the country. Going into a foreign embassy is not gonna do you any good. "The Free World" spies on, and jails its own people, and it will not risk another Mohammad cartoongate helping you. So don't even think about requesting asylum at an embassy. Sell all you own and head to the nearest border/coastal town. Pay off smugglers or fishermen and get the fuck out.
Agreed. You need to leave. Now. Sell your stuff, get currency, use your international connections. It's going to be the hardest thing you've ever done, but liberty is the most important. Who knows what will happen in prison and for how long they will detain you. Also, depending on how technically competent your government is, you need to get all your services offshore now: Wuala for storage (like dropbox - based in S…
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think life is a video game, don't you? There are some other geniuses suggesting the same useless solution. Let's say he did what you said. Do you think he will be able to build a life easily in another country as a refugee? Even opening a bank account will be a huge pain in the ass. The rest of his life will be ruined basically. And it seems he don't care about going to jail, he wants to keep his business running…
Are you seriously comparing the difficulty of opening a bank account to the difficulty of losing your freedom and liberty? You know, people did live before banks.. The only reason you think that he doesn't care about going to jail is the fact that he's prioritizing his livelihood. You're conveniently missing the lines where he calls it a mob action. He clearly doesn't agree with the sentence.
And when I compare a couple of years in prison to my whole life the answer is clear for me. Escaping the country brings the bonus that he will never be able to see his own country again. As an expat who is away from home for the last 4 years I can easily say that it sucks. Being away from home doesn't make you free.
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Thanks for the link but that is in no way offensive
I think if you make (negative) comments on religion, sexuality and race, you are bound to offend some people. Maybe it's a matter of opinion. But if he made an unsightly comment to the gay community at the gay parade, he will probably be deemed offensive too.
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#110if anyone here helped you it would be a real shame for HN. if you did offend another religion and rightly convicted then you should pay the price of your apathy and recklessness. jail should not be the price you have to pay, but instead you she be outcast by the community, at least on HN.
HN has an incredibly liberal slant, see the front page since Edward Snowden started leaking documents. I don't think the the "average" opinion would be that someone isn't welcome here because they pissed someone off. Look at all the snark that gets thrown around.