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Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by jwoah12 »

asdasf wrote: post #62
jwoah12 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could always invent your own strip that detects alcohol and displays UNSAFE. That way people will be reminded before they drink their vodka tonic that it contains alcohol.

The point was not that we need to detect alcohol. The point was that these things are counter productive to the goal of preventing date rape.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. The goal of these things is to prevent date rape by someone unsuspectingly taking particular drugs. There's not much you are going to be able to invent if your goal is to stop date rape by preventing people from knowingly drinking alcohol.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by asdasf »

jwoah12 wrote: post #81
asdasf wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point was not that we need to detect alcohol. The point was that these things are counter productive to the goal of preventing date rape.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. The goal of these things is to prevent date rape by someone unsuspectingly taking particular drugs. There's not much you are going to be able to invent if your goal is to stop date rape by preventing people from knowingly drinking alcohol.

But you just repeated the same thing. Again, I am not suggesting "stop date rape by preventing people from knowingly drinking alcohol" should be a goal. I am saying these devices are harmful. They have the opposite effect from what is intended. They create a false sense of security in regards to the problem, convincing people that as long as their drink hasn't been spiked they are fine. But 99% of date rapes involving drugs aren't from drink spiking, they are just from drinking.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by tsotha »

ryusage wrote: post #28
justinsteele wrote: post #13

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That's arguable. I think the line between "these friends know each other and have been flirtatious in the past, it's okay that they got drunk one night and hooked up" and "this random person put a date rape drug in that other person's drink so they could take advantage of their state" is extremely large.

I think keevie's comment was referring more to a situation in which two strangers meet, one buys many drinks for the other, and then, once very drunk, gets them into bed. If you ask 100 people if that's wrong to do, I'm pretty confident that you're going to get much more conflicting answers than if you ask them about either of your two examples. On the one hand, it's basically what a lot of people just take as the no…

The problem is "drunk" is a range (or "very drunk", as you would have it). Clearly it's wrong to have sex with someone who's passed out. And with someone who's almost passed out. And with someone who's almost almost passed out. After that it gets a bit more murky. How drunk is the other party? Is there an existing relationship?

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by venomsnake »

Now I know I may be stupid engineer but isn't much simpler solution to have someone trusted who to call from time to time. With everybody having smartphones an gps app that for given period of time sends messages to trusted 3rd party about your location and being able to call if something is out of order is also a solution.

Just before going upstairs she just calls to the "warden" and if she is speaking coherent ... do whatever you like. If not - the trusted party can take a cab or signal the police.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by bestdayever »

roc wrote: post #71
dobbsbob wrote: post #63

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Not so common in North America anymore, but very common in S. America and Europe. Brazil expect every drink you have to be spiked with scopolamine especially if you're a rich looking tourist and a girl who makes $50/week wants to clear out your hotel. I would expect the same in the Czech Republic too, but since bartenders are in cahoots with the thieves there you'd need to bring your own straws. I also don't think th…

The bigger problem with cups would be dark-colored drinks. The concept looks great if we assume a martini. But fairly useless with a cola- or red-juice-based mixer.

Wouldn't the straws come in handy in that situation?

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by hackinthebochs »

thwest wrote: post #68
sk5t wrote: post #48

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Just out of curiosity, is drunk driving not driving in your jurisdiction?

The analogy you're looking for here is drunk being-run-over, not drunk driving. Consider this illustrative example: Driver: "Hey man, mind if I run over your leg?" Drunk Person: "mfamhhhhmmhaha sure lesh pud it on youtubes" Driver: looks at camera "You hear that judge and jury?! Consent! Yeeehaw!"

That's not what he was asking. The question is if someone can be "too drunk to consent" (assuming they are conscious enough to verbally consent, but too drunk for that consent to be valid in the eyes of the law), then why are people held responsible for drunk driving incidents? If the law finds them incapacitated to the point of not being held responsible for their decisions (in this case to have sex, or sign contracts, etc), why are they held responsible for their decision to drive drunk? It's a valid question and I don't think I've ever seen it answered sufficiently.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by sixothree »

ColinWright wrote: post #56
sixothree wrote: post #47

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I've had it happen to me as well. I was very young at the time and only had two drinks the entire night. Luckily I was with safe friends, so it could have been worse. Shockingly once at a party I was offered to buy rohypnol. I was lurid. I certainly don't look like the type of person who would buy drugs, much less from a random stranger...

> I was lurid. > ......^^^^^. I do not think that word means what you think it means. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lurid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Oh my. I felt my fingers twitch when I typed that sentence. But alas I only have 30 minutes for lunch as did not budget time for lookup.

Still though, lurid may be an appropriate adjective.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by jamieb »

asdasf wrote: post #25
justinsteele wrote: post #11

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Regarding #3, what data are you going off to say that Rohypnol has not been detected, and that drugging overall is uncommon? I have experienced it twice in the past 18 months through friends whom I have drank with many times, and had a very obvious reaction to one drink which often had been bought for them or left on a table/bar at some point that evening. Unless someone poured them a drink comprised of 6+ shots wort…

That's exactly it though, lots of people "experience" being roofied, and then are tested and it turns out they were not. Our "common sense" judgments on situations like this are actually incredibly unreliable. >Uncommon is pretty broad, if something as severe as being drugged happens to one person out of every 200 each night, it is "common" in my mind. But evidence suggests it is no where even close to that common. A…

>That's exactly it though, lots of people "experience" being roofied, and then are tested and it turns out they were not.

Do you have a link for that?

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by sixothree »

foobarbazqux wrote: post #59
sixothree wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had it happen to me as well. I was very young at the time and only had two drinks the entire night. Luckily I was with safe friends, so it could have been worse. Shockingly once at a party I was offered to buy rohypnol. I was lurid. I certainly don't look like the type of person who would buy drugs, much less from a random stranger...

What does the type of person who would buy drugs look like?

I can tell you what the type of person who does not buy drugs looks like.
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