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Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by [deleted] »

gohrt wrote: post #53
Nursie wrote: post #22

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>> Getting people drunk to get them to sleep with you isn't really /wrong./ It is, sorry. There's nothing wrong with two people having a few drinks and going to bed together. But it's at the very least creepy to plan to knock someone's inhibitions down that way, or to take advantage of them. >> It's the original and most effective date rape drug, and no one even really objects to people using it for that purpose. You…

> There's nothing wrong with two people having a few drinks and going to bed together. But it's at the very least creepy to plan to knock someone's inhibitions down that way, or to take advantage of them. Is there an objective test, that can be administered by a third party, to differentiate between these two cases? If not, then what?

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Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by asdasf »

jwoah12 wrote: post #54
asdasf wrote: post #37

Why does this frequently "invented" useless item keep getting press every time it is "invented" for the dozenth time? These are really misguided devices, that give people a false sense of safety (it is even labeled "safe" on the non-spiked drink) when alcohol is far and away the most used and most dangerous date rape drug.

You could always invent your own strip that detects alcohol and displays UNSAFE. That way people will be reminded before they drink their vodka tonic that it contains alcohol.

The point was not that we need to detect alcohol. The point was that these things are counter productive to the goal of preventing date rape.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by dobbsbob »

Nursie wrote: post #3

1. Awesome invention, straws that detect adulterants and change colour 2. Obviously people do get drugged occasionally, the inventor seems to have had it happen to him 3. Unfortunately there seems to be no real evidence that GHB or ketamine are often used in sexual assaults, and even Rohypnol which has the worst reputation has not often been detected. A straw that could detect a drink that's stronger than you think i…

Not so common in North America anymore, but very common in S. America and Europe. Brazil expect every drink you have to be spiked with scopolamine especially if you're a rich looking tourist and a girl who makes $50/week wants to clear out your hotel. I would expect the same in the Czech Republic too, but since bartenders are in cahoots with the thieves there you'd need to bring your own straws.

I also don't think this guy's idea will work very well, and instead will create a false sense of security instead of just watching your drink, which is probably the reason cases of Rohypnol/GHB have declined in N. America since there's so much education about guarding your drink or tossing it if you leave it alone. Bouncers also provide benefit denial of this crime/scam, and will usually stop somebody walking out dragging a girl until they find her friends, at least here they do.

Another problem is I see criminals just bringing in their own straws and switching them while dumping in the drug. Bars are unlikely to order these glasses unless they are inexpensive, they go through so many broken glasses it's not worth it to them to swtich. Their bleach + high heat cleaning methods might render the protection useless too after a few washings.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by rasur »

sixothree wrote: post #47
justinsteele wrote: post #11

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Regarding #3, what data are you going off to say that Rohypnol has not been detected, and that drugging overall is uncommon? I have experienced it twice in the past 18 months through friends whom I have drank with many times, and had a very obvious reaction to one drink which often had been bought for them or left on a table/bar at some point that evening. Unless someone poured them a drink comprised of 6+ shots wort…

I've had it happen to me as well. I was very young at the time and only had two drinks the entire night. Luckily I was with safe friends, so it could have been worse. Shockingly once at a party I was offered to buy rohypnol. I was lurid. I certainly don't look like the type of person who would buy drugs, much less from a random stranger...

*livid

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by drewblaisdell »

justinsteele wrote: post #11
Nursie wrote: post #3

1. Awesome invention, straws that detect adulterants and change colour 2. Obviously people do get drugged occasionally, the inventor seems to have had it happen to him 3. Unfortunately there seems to be no real evidence that GHB or ketamine are often used in sexual assaults, and even Rohypnol which has the worst reputation has not often been detected. A straw that could detect a drink that's stronger than you think i…

Regarding #3, what data are you going off to say that Rohypnol has not been detected, and that drugging overall is uncommon? I have experienced it twice in the past 18 months through friends whom I have drank with many times, and had a very obvious reaction to one drink which often had been bought for them or left on a table/bar at some point that evening. Unless someone poured them a drink comprised of 6+ shots wort…

There are so many factors that can lead to a temporary increased sensitivity to alcohol that I am skeptical of anecdotal evidence like this, especially when alcohol is involved.

Rohypnol/GHB are certainly used as date rape drugs, but they have an effect that is distinct from just more liquor.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by justin66 »

Nursie wrote: post #45
justin66 wrote: post #39

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> It says Rohypnol was detected in less than 1% of cases of sexual assault where drugging was suspected. That might not mean what you think it means. From http://www.drugs.com/rohypnol.html : > It is difficult to estimate the number of Rohypnol-facilitated rapes in the United States. Very often, biological samples are taken from the victim at a time when the effects of the drug have already passed and only residual a…

Again, at the most that says we don't have good data, however according to wikipedia (and it does seem to be well referenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape#Drugs_used_in_sexual_... ) even studies that are designed to catch this stuff don't seem to get much over 1-2% for rohypnol where alcohol comes in closer to half of cases of suspected drug assisted assault.…

I'm kind of shocked at how bad that infographic on wikipedia is. I don't disagree on any particular point you've made.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by malandrew »

justin66 wrote: post #39
Nursie wrote: post #16

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>> Regarding #3, what data are you going off to say that Rohypnol has not been detected, and that drugging overall is uncommon? Wikipedia has links to a couple of studies. It says Rohypnol was detected in less than 1% of cases of sexual assault where drugging was suspected. I obviously have no idea what you and your friends have seen or been through or what they may have been spiked with. I'm just saying that wheneve…

> It says Rohypnol was detected in less than 1% of cases of sexual assault where drugging was suspected. That might not mean what you think it means. From http://www.drugs.com/rohypnol.html : > It is difficult to estimate the number of Rohypnol-facilitated rapes in the United States. Very often, biological samples are taken from the victim at a time when the effects of the drug have already passed and only residual a…

The irony is that there is money to test them, you just need to convince female voters to call their representative and tell them that you'd rather they spend war on terrorism money on getting those rape kits processed instead. Considering that a woman is far more likely to be a victim of rape than terrorism, it's absurd that any rape kit ever sit on the shelf untested.

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by thwest »

sk5t wrote: post #48
DanBC wrote: post #34

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> >Drunk consent isn't consent > Legally it is. Not where I live.

Just out of curiosity, is drunk driving not driving in your jurisdiction?

The analogy you're looking for here is drunk being-run-over, not drunk driving. Consider this illustrative example:

Driver: "Hey man, mind if I run over your leg?" Drunk Person: "mfamhhhhmmhaha sure lesh pud it on youtubes" Driver: looks at camera "You hear that judge and jury?! Consent! Yeeehaw!"

Re: Straws And Cups That Detect Date Rape Drugs

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Post by omarchowdhury »

foobarbazqux wrote: post #59
sixothree wrote: post #47

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I've had it happen to me as well. I was very young at the time and only had two drinks the entire night. Luckily I was with safe friends, so it could have been worse. Shockingly once at a party I was offered to buy rohypnol. I was lurid. I certainly don't look like the type of person who would buy drugs, much less from a random stranger...

What does the type of person who would buy drugs look like?

Like this guy, obviously: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D4-VcT-tdyU/T6nfkqfzPNI/AAAAAAAABp...
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