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Re: Bootstrap 3 RC1

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I love bootstrap, but I'm completely unconvinced about the flat trend. My site, www.liberwriter.com is squarely aimed at non-technical people who are not really on top of the latest trends. I could very easily envision them having a higher cognitive load trying to figure out what is a button and what isn't and so on. What do testing and studies show about this?

If you don't want to be edgy, then don't. But please don't complain that the edge exists

Re: Bootstrap 3 RC1

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I've never been a fan of bootstrap, namely because nobody modifies it and all websites end up looking the same.

But I will say its nice that they're going Flat. Much easier on the eyes, and much simpler to creative a responsive layout for multiple screen sizes.

Re: Bootstrap 3 RC1

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So what exactly is the point of bootstrap? It includes an entirely pointless (and poorly made) grid system; an excessive (and unnecessary) css reset; complex & slow selectors, and lots of default styling you're probably going to replace anyhow. If it were a bunch of separate modules you could individually include and use as a template for your own style, you could actually use the parts you need: as it is, I really d…

If you are writing a web application of sorts that needs to have a basic theme (buttons, forms, menus, etc) then Bootstrap serves a good purpose and gives you a responsive layout along with it. It also brings some sense of uniformity across apps for more complex controls. For anything beyond that you are better off with yui/pure or csswizardry/inuit which offer much better responsive grid systems. Pure has one shortc…

You forgot the option of "no framework, I'll build it myself and have ultimate control".

It's not rocket science, it's HTML and CSS, and you don't need a framework to have uniformity or responsiveness.

Your site could be made up of a bunch of jquery plugins too, and stock library graphics, and is your content rehashed too?

div class=span4 is nothing more than a table-based layout in disguise. Spans and rows are not inherent to divs. You're adding a layer of new rules that doesn't complement the technology you're adding to. You may as well be building with an old fashioned table based layout.

When I view source of some of the flagship bootstrap examples, I see stuff like this... empty divs either side of the logo graphic. I remember doing stuff like this with tables back in the 90s. Spacer gifs inside the empty table cells. But in this case, it's a class.

logo

Re: Bootstrap 3 RC1

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Cue a dozen comments about flat buttons. This looks like a nice set of changes for Bootstrap. I'm not sure how I feel about the grid class name changes, but then again, I went all-in on Foundation a few months back, so it doesn't affect me one way or another. I'm sure mdo and fat have excellent reasons for using Less instead of Sass, but I'm a Rails user and I like Sass better to boot. Anyway, no matter, I'm glad to…

To the commenters, it's Sass not SASS.

Re: Bootstrap 3 RC1

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Same here, and it jumps around as I scroll down a long page such as http://getbootstrap.com/css/

Also buggy on Opera 12 in Linux.

the collapsed navbar has several problems on Chrome (beta) for Android as well, f.e. when zooming, or scrolling while the menu is in the expanded state

Re: Bootstrap 3 RC1

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List of all cross-browser gotchas from the Bootstrap site:

- Striped tables are styled via the :nth-child CSS selector, which is not available in IE8.

- IE and Safari don't actually support the attribute on a

- Avoid using elements here as they cannot be fully styled in WebKit browsers.

- If you add the disabled attribute to a , Internet Explorer 9 and below will render text gray with a nasty text-shadow that we cannot fix.

- Keep in mind that Internet Explorer 8 lacks support for rounded corners.

- Badges won't self collapse in Internet Explorer 8 because it lacks support for the :empty selector.

- Progress bars use CSS3 transitions and animations to achieve some of their effects. These features are not supported in Internet Explorer 9 and below or older versions of Firefox. Opera 12 does not support animations.

- Firefox persists the disabled state across page loads. A workaround for this is to use autocomplete="off".

It would be nice to see if any progress is being made on these.

Re: Bootstrap 3 RC1

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Clearly, I can't speak to BS3, but the thing I like most about Foundation is the mobile-first grid: build your grid layout using Foundation's 'small- n ' classes and it just works on larger screens too. If you want to develop more complex layouts for larger screens, all you have to do is append 'large- n ' class names (and now 'medium- n ' exists, too).

bs3 is mobile first also

That's interesting to read, beccause on my iPad 4 BS3 is very sluggish. Buttons visibly wait to show any change, menus the same. I don't have this problem with BS2. Maybe when it ships this will have been eliminated.

Re: Bootstrap 3 RC1

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I love bootstrap, but I'm completely unconvinced about the flat trend. My site, www.liberwriter.com is squarely aimed at non-technical people who are not really on top of the latest trends. I could very easily envision them having a higher cognitive load trying to figure out what is a button and what isn't and so on. What do testing and studies show about this?

I think it's flat so that you can add CSS css to create your custom widgets instead of having to override CSS to customize widgets. Foundation has a similar construct.
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