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Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Let's not forget that it's Russia. Still, Snowden can't afford to trust the US, so that leaves Russia as an alternative. But that's just a special case for this particular situation.

> Yes. Let's not forget that it's Russia. So? Russia has been a much more malevolent world player than the US.

There's a few hundred million people in Latin America who would disagree with that.

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

#22
Well I guess all the bankers who destroyed our economy for a decade can flea to Russia too.

Oh wait, they don't have to flea, no-one is pursuing them and they are gearing up for the next round of destruction since no laws were passed to restrict their behavior. We have great priorities and perspective.

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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post #10
post #2

> "Russia has never extradited anyone, and will not extradite," said Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov. While part of me feels that this is good news, the other part - cynical from all the word games I've heard from my own government recently - suspects they could definitely send him back without calling it "extradition." Still, I am cautiously optimistic.

I don't think you need to be particularly cynical to assume that Russia might eventually send him away without calling it an extradition. After all, it doesn't look like Russia is interested in actively protecting Snowden. And if he doesn't get asylum in Russia neither somewhere else, it's plausible that the "default" alternative is deportation.

Russia has done spy exchanges. Snowden "is" a spy. When it's to Russia's advantage, they won't hesitate to implement an exchange.

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

#24
post #16

I think the saying "The enemy of an enemy, is a friend" suits this situation very well.

In this case, "a pawn". I'm fairly certain the Russians are unwilling to antagonize the U.S. beyond mild annoyance (posturing, really) and if the issue is forced to any meaningful degree, Snowden is toast.

So perhaps the saying should be "the frenemy of my frenemy is my end"

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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> "one of the biggest security leaks in the American history"

Is the prism slides really one of the biggest security leaks in the American history, comparable to the Pentagon Papers, the war logs or the diplomatic cables? The prism power point leak looks a bit tiny in comparison.

It seems to me as the reason prism get so much media attention, is that it confirmed something everyone already knew but refused to accept. That shock hit at peoples heart, and felt more than 250,000 United States diplomatic cables or 500,000 army reports. Knowing, rather than just suspecting that Google, FB or microsoft channels data over to the NSA feels worse than hearing about kids being shot at by an attack helicopter using 30 mm fire.

Still, using the description of biggest security leaks in the American history might be a bit much?

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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post #23
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you need to be particularly cynical to assume that Russia might eventually send him away without calling it an extradition. After all, it doesn't look like Russia is interested in actively protecting Snowden. And if he doesn't get asylum in Russia neither somewhere else, it's plausible that the "default" alternative is deportation.

Russia has done spy exchanges. Snowden "is" a spy. When it's to Russia's advantage, they won't hesitate to implement an exchange.

I don't know anything about spy exchanges, but based on the term I would imagine it works the other way: an American spy captured in Russsia would be traded for a Russian spy captured in the US. Do they usually trade defectors too?

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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post #22

Well I guess all the bankers who destroyed our economy for a decade can flea to Russia too. Oh wait, they don't have to flea, no-one is pursuing them and they are gearing up for the next round of destruction since no laws were passed to restrict their behavior. We have great priorities and perspective.

I hate to be that guy... the message of your post is clear, but I think it should be flee and not flea.

https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aflea

https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aflee

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

#28
post #25

> "one of the biggest security leaks in the American history" Is the prism slides really one of the biggest security leaks in the American history, comparable to the Pentagon Papers, the war logs or the diplomatic cables? The prism power point leak looks a bit tiny in comparison. It seems to me as the reason prism get so much media attention, is that it confirmed something everyone already knew but refused to accept.…

AIUI, he didn't leak any actual data. Just metadata. He leaked what information is being collected, rather than any information that actually was collected. Definitely nothing like "one of the biggest security leaks in the American history".

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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post #25

> "one of the biggest security leaks in the American history" Is the prism slides really one of the biggest security leaks in the American history, comparable to the Pentagon Papers, the war logs or the diplomatic cables? The prism power point leak looks a bit tiny in comparison. It seems to me as the reason prism get so much media attention, is that it confirmed something everyone already knew but refused to accept.…

It is easier to digest a powerpoint presentation than huge load of legal documents. As well what the documents revealed is that program is spending considerable amount of money and no tiny blip on GDP - and it is being used to break all sort of essential freedoms that have been clearly penciled into the constitution by framers. What has been revealed so far is cronyism, systemic corruption and trampling of citizen's rights while being paid by those same citizens out of their national debt, which is at 15 trillion at this moment.

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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post #25

> "one of the biggest security leaks in the American history" Is the prism slides really one of the biggest security leaks in the American history, comparable to the Pentagon Papers, the war logs or the diplomatic cables? The prism power point leak looks a bit tiny in comparison. It seems to me as the reason prism get so much media attention, is that it confirmed something everyone already knew but refused to accept.…

Well the guy responsible for leaking the pentagon papers (Daniel Ellsberg) had this to say:

"In my estimation, there has not been in American history a more important leak than Edward Snowden’s release of NSA material – and that definitely includes the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago"

http://www.ellsberg.net/archive/edward-snowden

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