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As Feds Demand the Keys, Preparing for the Death of Public-Key Encryption

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Re: As Feds Demand the Keys, Preparing for the Death of Public-Key Encryption

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post #152

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Precisely, I agree that this is the logical direction in which this is heading. I think there's an implicit but rarely stated understanding - in silicon valley in particular - that there's value beyond traditional monetary capital in collecting and storing personalized information about individuals, groups, and organizations - i.e. security, profiling, recruitment and research value. Background checks for hires, sele…

This is all very interesting. So far it seems to be used to show me adverts for stuff I have already bought.

That's commonly known as 'remarketing' - by co-operating a little, a website and an advertising network can communicate the pages and products you've been looking at, and then the ad network can show you the products (or related items) again when you visit other sites.

It's frequently annoying if you've already made the purchase / decided not to, but it's a marketing ROI 'hack' in that the users who are being shown these adverts have already previously expressed some interest in them.

Even if 50% of users aren't interested any more or bought the product, the remaining 50% are still 'well qualified' -- i.e. known relevant -- and so showing the content again to them is more likely to result in sales, and so is 'cheaper' for the advertiser than targeting otherwise-unknown users. It's better for the ad network as well since their customers (the advertisers) will get better results.

Intent mining is really more about analyzing what people are saying online (or, equally, the text they're entering via search engines) and working out what they are intending to do - are they looking to purchase a camera, or are they looking for information about a business?

The two aren't completely separate - remarketing combined with intent mining could presumably have some interesting results (we've seen you were investigating shoes yesterday, and you're travelling to a mall - I'll show you some adverts from shoe stores there), but they're slightly logically different.

Re: As Feds Demand the Keys, Preparing for the Death of Public-Key Encryption

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post #134

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If you're talking about the media, what did you expect? The mainstream media is just a mouthpiece for the government at this point.

I know that's a popular thing to say, but the mainstream media broke the story . In what way are they a government mouthpiece?

In what way...

When they regurgitate the content of a government press release or briefing without challenging both its basic premises and noteworthy claims, which they all do every single day, many times a day, the popular news media perfectly inhabits the role of "government mouthpiece". This includes the many instances of on-the-one-hand-on-the-other press-release ping-pong between the two allegedly opposed narratives provided by our two allegedly opposed political parties.

Re: As Feds Demand the Keys, Preparing for the Death of Public-Key Encryption

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post #129

> Public-key cryptography as we know it today may be rapidly approaching the end of its useful lifespan. No evidence in the article substantiates this bold statement. - "pressuring major Internet firms to provide their "master" SSL keys for government surveillance purposes": this demonstrates a weakness of centralized public-key infrastructures, it does not follow that public-key cryptography is doomed. (See: web of…

I would say that government attempts to force data to be handed over reinforce the strength of public key encryption. Since Public Key made its debut, we've known that the only real actual threat to the system was an incredible advance in the realm of factoring. That has not happened.

This article talks about the many ways public key can be circumvented, but offers no insight into a mathematical breakthrough. Thus, there will remain a way to encrypt your data, you just need to make sure your keys will always be safe.

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This kind of thing makes me think the Snowden disclosures actually emboldened the NSA in some ways. Their nightmare scenario occurred, and nothing happened. Nobody even got fired or "resigned". The public's tepid reaction has brought our nightmare scenario to life - we taught secretive government agencies that they can now do anything they want without fear of public backlash. These kinds of requests can now dramatic…

Like with everything else than maybe virus outbreak, most changes takes time to affect entire community, economy or a country. Rome wasn't built in a day, so the Rome Empire didn't collapse in a day neither. Take me as an example. I am 8 years in US, married to US citizen. Green Card holder now and couple years ago our plan was for me to become a US Citizen and us to raise our kids on US soil. Not anymore. With all t…

Thanks for your perspective. I wonder which hot-button you pushed that caused the downvotes? My suspicion would be vaccination, but I'm not ruling out the gun-illustration (the word "drawing" is ambiguous in this case) or Bengazi...

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post #181

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Tens of thousands caring out of a population of 350 million is 0.03% of the population. That's kinda tepid. But should Paula Deen have been fired from Food Network? Crisis of epic proportions!

You might want to consume different sources of news media. The only times I've heard the name "Paula Deen" was in conversation with my parents and grandparents. I'm sure her travails (whatever they are or were) amount to a crisis for some people, but you don't have to pay attention to those people.

Vivtek's point was that most people don't care about this, and consider the Paula Deen incident far more noteworthy.

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post #110

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Right on, Clearly its also ok for the police to search your apartment at any time as well. You don't own your apartment, an apartment corporation does, so its clearly not a 4th amendment violation

Actually laws do protect private domain of a rental. It's the same reason the apartment companies themselves/landlords are not allowed to enter the apartment without your expressed consent.

The point is those laws are the implementation of the intent behind the Fourth Amendment, and it's strange that we don't have other laws which implement the full intent of the Fourth Amendment with respect to private communication.

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post #149

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Did you know it is illegal to broadcast encrypted signals on HAM radio? Wonder how long it will take for that to come to the internet.

Ham radio is a special case, and it is actually the Hams trying to block crypto. There is actually an FCC open rule making issue right now on the issue, and arrl is against it. The solution is to develop protocols which use crypto but use a public key for now.

I saw that. Apparently issue is with self-monitoring. Also, would only be allowed for emergencies.

Re: As Feds Demand the Keys, Preparing for the Death of Public-Key Encryption

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post #168

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Unfortunately I believe @northernmonkey and all OP's are talking about the "average American" and maybe the "average human". After all, in the US anyway, aren't we-the-people the government? That would make the MSM a mouthpiece for... the average American. I believe that is more or less true as sad as it is. Aware and concerned tech-heads are trying to protect a drunken fool (the public) from a hungry bear (whoever i…

> Aware and concerned tech-heads are trying to protect a drunken fool (the public) from a hungry bear (whoever it is that actually runs the intelligence networks). What self-important, self-aggrandizing bullshit.

Your comment leaves much to be desired.

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post #72

Something that people have apparently not quite connected is that these developments are incremental steps towards and can already be considered within the spectrum of mind reading. The only reason that that a majority of today's people do not recognize the situation as squarely in mind reading territory based on examples from literature and popular culture is that the the technical limitations still retrain governme…

Balderdash! How many people are in the baby boom generation? And you paint them all with one bush? Do you do the same for people of a particular race? Upon closer inspection you will find that few boomers are responsible for your woes. Your parents maybe, but most of us are as powerless as you. "Industrial mindset"? Poppycock! I look around and I see many young people serving up enormous amounts of their private info…

I expect few complaints will elicit less sympathy than the plight of the poor put-upon baby boom generation.

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post #160

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> while simultaneously enjoying the benefits from various services that are provided by the government. Using these services because there's no practical way not to is just the reality of our system. Taking a few scraps from your masters to survive does not mean you agree with your chains.

I'm curious, what's your ideal political arrangement? How do you propose we provide for transportation infrastructure, medical services, police, fire departments, etc? I'm not convinced that abolishment of the state is possible or even ideal, but I'm open to discussion.

I don't think abolishing the state is ideal now. Hierarchical structures and violence are far too ingrained in people and passed on to their children. We really need a philosophical awakening to move beyond institutionalized violence. Abolishing the state swiftly would have the opposite effect as there are too many people dependent on it. Too many lives would be lost. This is a process that needs to happen at a local level, over generations.

And I don't have any proposals for how those services will be provided. People will just figure it out and create solutions organically, as they have for numerous other problems throughout history. We didn't need to know how cotton would be picked before we abolished slavery.

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