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The slippery slope

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Re: The slippery slope

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Post by mcguire »

andybak wrote: post #16
captionobvious wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than likely it was done to protect the users privacy while keeping the exact same user experience. The protections were made behind the scenes with additional options made available to the user, but disabled by default. The transitions from guid had the potential to break many apps so encouraging users to disable it would have likely caused many unintended side effects in addition to cluttering the ui and annoyi…

I've read this three times now and I'm still not sure I get it...

Near as I can tell, he's saying that the advertisement tracking toggle (located under General > About, down past the version numbers, MAC addresses, etc.), named "Limit Ad Tracking" and defaulting to "Off" is actually another brilliant example of Apple's premier, user-centric interface experience design.

But I've never really figured out the "double-negative, Newspeak is good for you!" thing, so I'm not sure.

Re: The slippery slope

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Post by barrkel »

z-factor wrote: post #31
zallarak wrote: post #11

Very well written. When you turn against your customers' welfare, you're almost always going down a path of failure in the long run.

Banks seem to be doing ok.

Generally, it's illegal not to use banks beyond a certain point.

That is, transporting large amounts of cash is strong evidence of criminal behaviour, is subject to seizure, etc.

Re: The slippery slope

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Post by khawkins »

One large claim made here is that while Dark Patterns may increase subscription rates, they hurt brand image. Are there any scientific studies measuring the magnitude of such damage? Perhaps the occasional irritation is worth 5 others "duped" into accepting more advertising.

Re: The slippery slope

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Post by Wingman4l7 »

rocky1138 wrote: post #32
z-factor wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks seem to be doing ok.

For now. It's only a matter of time before a startup or two breaks that industry down just like they have for many others.

Things like regulatory capture make it hard for small players to get started in entrenched industries. Some examples: telecommunications (getting leases on existing pipes to sell your services), meat processing (look at the regs that small producers like Polyface Farms have to comply with), car manufacturing (look at the opposition Tesla is facing trying to sell direct to the consumer) -- and yes, banking.

Re: The slippery slope

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Post by e3pi »

kwijibob wrote: post #25
e3pi wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I've read this three times now and I'm still not sure I get it... For about ten years now, every time I use Paypal for an eBay payment, I'm interrupted to choose a $10.00 off opt-in for setting up credit, I have to click-thru this every time. By now, I've done this several hundreds of times. I'm just a fish trying to stay out of their double-trap dark pattern slippery slope trammel net.

I've been on google+ since the beginning (2nd half of 2011). For the whole 18-20 months whenever I have gone to google+ on the web it has first had an obstacle "Find your friends" page asking me to spam all my contacts about google+. It still does it even today. There is no opt-out or "stop asking me to do this" checkbox. Even though I am an active plus user with posts and comments, it still treats me like a first ti…

Another one. HN subject titles often link to the New York Times. Not having a subscription and offended with their offensive dark screen blinding pop-up `dark pattern' `hook' --free, or otherwise-- I now only read the respective HN comments.

NYT coverage is usually good, I miss it, but now BBC, Reuters, Guardian, rt, Der Spiegel, HN, are my primary news feeds.

Re: The slippery slope

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Post by Skalman »

lifeformed wrote: post #47

Does this site really need to be over 15MB large?

Well, considering 97% percent of the page load is images (average size: 400 kB), and the page contains slides that explain and complement the article... yeah, I think it does!

Re: The slippery slope

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Post by HNaTTY »

Fuzzwah wrote: post #23

Enjoyed the article, but I had to read it using the Clearly extension because the native web page is extremely laggy for me. I'm on a Win8 machine running current Chrome. It seems like such a simple design but hot damn does it chug when I scroll.

That's probably because it's a 15MB page including all the assets -- Somebody doesn't believe in jpegs.

The page still downloaded for me in 2.5s though, so I have to give the guy some credit for having a beefy host.

Re: The slippery slope

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Post by studentrob »

sudonim wrote: post #38
rocky1138 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For now. It's only a matter of time before a startup or two breaks that industry down just like they have for many others.

I'm a happy customer of both Simple.com and USAA. Both are very customer focused banks. The industry is being broken down, just really really slowly.

Just curious, what benefits do you get from simple.com that USAA does not provide? I looked at it in the beginning but it didn't seem to add anything, perhaps that's changed.
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