How intentional.
The slippery slope
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Re: The slippery slope
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
More than likely it was done to protect the users privacy while keeping the exact same user experience. The protections were made behind the scenes with additional options made available to the user, but disabled by default. The transitions from guid had the potential to break many apps so encouraging users to disable it would have likely caused many unintended side effects in addition to cluttering the ui and annoyi…
I've read this three times now and I'm still not sure I get it...
>I've read this three times now and I'm still not sure I get it...
For about ten years now, every time I use Paypal for an eBay payment, I'm interrupted to choose a $10.00 off opt-in for setting up credit, I have to click-thru this every time. By now, I've done this several hundreds of times.
I'm just a fish trying to stay out of their double-trap dark pattern slippery slope trammel net.
Re: The slippery slope
#23Enjoyed the article, but I had to read it using the Clearly extension because the native web page is extremely laggy for me. I'm on a Win8 machine running current Chrome. It seems like such a simple design but hot damn does it chug when I scroll.
Re: The slippery slope
#24All I'm going to say is that even though it's awful The Ladders have all those tricks, they're successful. Not saying the ends justify the means, but I wonder how their business would look otherwise.
Well that's the kinda the point of Dark Patterns? Companies use them because they work. They are unethical, but they achieve success (in the short term at least, sometimes long tem). This is why there is law, to level to play in field so the ethical groups can be not disadvantaged.
Except, law is invariably perverted to provide an advantage to a select group.
Re: The slippery slope
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've read this three times now and I'm still not sure I get it...
>I've read this three times now and I'm still not sure I get it... For about ten years now, every time I use Paypal for an eBay payment, I'm interrupted to choose a $10.00 off opt-in for setting up credit, I have to click-thru this every time. By now, I've done this several hundreds of times. I'm just a fish trying to stay out of their double-trap dark pattern slippery slope trammel net.
I've been on google+ since the beginning (2nd half of 2011).
For the whole 18-20 months whenever I have gone to google+ on the web it has first had an obstacle "Find your friends" page asking me to spam all my contacts about google+.
It still does it even today. There is no opt-out or "stop asking me to do this" checkbox. Even though I am an active plus user with posts and comments, it still treats me like a first timer.
I'm trying to get into google+ but there is no way I'm going to spam my friends.
That it has been doing this to me hundreds of times for nearly two years is unbelievable.
Re: The slippery slope
#26Enjoyed the article, but I had to read it using the Clearly extension because the native web page is extremely laggy for me. I'm on a Win8 machine running current Chrome. It seems like such a simple design but hot damn does it chug when I scroll.
Works fine with safari on my 2008 macbook.
Re: The slippery slope
#27I thought in the EU you're legally required to do opt-in. You're not permitted to do opt-out.
How can the UK Post Office do opt-out?
Is this some UK exemption from the EU law?
Or is it the typical government exemption from its own law (like e.g. how politicians exempted themselves from the US CAN-SPAM law)?
Re: The slippery slope
#28Enjoyed the article, but I had to read it using the Clearly extension because the native web page is extremely laggy for me. I'm on a Win8 machine running current Chrome. It seems like such a simple design but hot damn does it chug when I scroll.
Same on Windows 7 with Chrome (IGP with a Mobile 1st gen i3 processor however)
Re: The slippery slope
#29I thought in the EU you're legally required to do opt-in. You're not permitted to do opt-out. How can the UK Post Office do opt-out? Is this some UK exemption from the EU law? Or is it the typical government exemption from its own law (like e.g. how politicians exempted themselves from the US CAN-SPAM law)?
Third party must be opt-in, but first party can be opt-out, that's why they do the alternate "opt-out opt-in" thing.
In fact a lot of companies I've come across do it this way, you see it on physical forms too.
Re: The slippery slope
#30It's funny. I'm on the phone trying to reach a student loan representative right now. I keep pressing 1 for English, 4 for a student loan representative, 1 again for the type of loan, then I'm back to pressing 4 for a loan representative. It's an infinite loop! I try hitting 0 for an operator but then I'm prompted to give a 4 digit extension for the party I want to reach.
It could be that the pool of operators for your type of loan is empty (i.e. they're all offline or engaged), and the app is set to automatically let you try again with some other department.
Just going with Occam here, but I've seen a couple of callcentre call-routing systems and the potential for misconfiguration is fairly high.