Live data from Hacker News

Google login now requires Google+ Account

news.ycombinator.com

41–50 of 63 posts

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be replying to the wrong post. This post is asking whether others have been asked to create a g+ account in order to log in using Google, not "I'm taking all my toys and going home" or whatever childish way you want to characterize people who are "deranged" about Google.

I'm talking about the other responses to the OP. Lately, if Google is mentioned on HN in a story, you are pretty much guaranteed that several of the off-topic responses will be either something about PRISM, Reader, or moving to DDG/FastMail, even if the story, for example, isn't even about PRISM or politics. Reader Derangement Syndrome is another, with people seriously proposing in some comments that Gmail is a shutd…

It's not that Gmail is a shutdown risk - that's deranged yes, it's Gmail IMAP people are worried about.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google used to have a separate profile system just like profiles.yahoo.com, and like Yahoo, having lots of disparate services with weak unification was a problem. No, it wasn't. It was very simple. You want an account for youtube, sign up on youtube, you want an account for something else - sign up there. You want your accounts to be the same login across all the services? Use the same login across all the services…

Having to create a separate account on N services with the same credentials is simpler than having a unified account? And what if your login is already taken on one of the other services, now you're forced to have multiple credentials. And then when you need to update something, like change an email address, 2factor authentication, or some other feature, you've now got to edit settings on many services. If you want a…

> Having to create a separate account on N services with the same credentials is simpler than having a unified account?

I said it wasn't complicated, that's not the same thing as saying it's simpler.

What's simpler is going to depend to a high degree on your use of the system.

For instance, I do some work with disadvantaged people - charity/volunteer stuff - and some of the people who haven't touched a computer before cannot understand that the government won't be able to track them through their Universal Jobmatch accounts if they use other websites that don't use that sign on. For them, it probably is simpler to have one log on.

Taking myself as another example though, I'm obviously going to find it more complicated to manage alternate identities, that have to at least passingly sound real, to ensure my privacy than I did just not having my real name online at all and reusing some of the assorted user-names I used on other sites while using different email addresses to stop it all getting tied together.

It's a trade off - at least from a user perspective - what are you optimising for?

As I see it, you gain some small ease of understanding for people who have just never used a computer before, (and increase the penalty when they mess up and leave themselves signed in on a public computer, which they do .) And you get some small benefit if you want to change your email address across all the service (though how often does that happen - and how many services do you really use?) However, you make it more difficult for people to remain anonymous.

There's also the fact that a similar thing could have been done without tying everything through G+. Which of course they're not going to do because they want to force you to use it.

We're talking about marginal gains, in return for making things much harder for those of us who don't want our names floating about associated with all we do.

(That and I question whether it's a good idea to make people have one sign in for so many things anyway. Nanny-state-me is like 'That's a terrible idea, the only thing worse than a crap password is the same crap password for everything.' )

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#45
post #16
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't actually have to share those details publicly if you don't want, to be fair. :/ Edit: for comparison and openness's sake, my profile: https://plus.google.com/116103902550362700148/about I have few qualms about sharing that, given that I know exactly what I've shared from there.

Dude, I don't think you can convince him with facts.

Dude, maybe people do not want to provide that info to anyone.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#46
post #15

Wow. This is the worst thing that could happen. Creating a Google+ account is such a travesty. It's such a waste of time and effort that could be better spent ranting on Hacker News. You should avoid everything Google. In principle, avoid any site that displays Google ads. By visiting ads, you're enabling Google to do all these evil things.

I'll better avoid advices, based on blind hate.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#47
post #14
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Google just wanted me to add a few relevant details to my primary account for some obvious useful purpose, details that would be kept private, I would happily oblige. However, this goes beyond that: Google is asking me to share information with no apparent application use (birth date?! gender???) to ANYONE who stumbles upon my G+ profile. I am not against unifying their services - in fact, this is what Google's ba…

You don't actually have to share those details publicly if you don't want, to be fair. :/ Edit: for comparison and openness's sake, my profile: https://plus.google.com/116103902550362700148/about I have few qualms about sharing that, given that I know exactly what I've shared from there.

Thanks - I wasn't award that I could hide the info (it certainly wasn't made obvious by the dialog). I still think that forcing me to fumble around in G+'s settings to do this is unnecessary (although I can see why Google is doing this!).

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#48
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be an ideal solution for this situation, but the problem remains: if I cannot authenticate via the 3rd party initially, the service has no way of knowing that I am actually the owner of the account. I am not sure what the working implementation of this looks like.

Email verification with a newly generated local password. That's what Meetup did after I quit Facebook, and it was only 3-4 minutes of friction.

Doh. Of course - that would have been easy and effective.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#49
post #10

Most of my family members will sooner dump Gmail than create a Google+ account.

Some would say having your family members avoid G+ is one of the primary benefits of G+. So instead of being barraged by a stream of photos of cousins and aunts you haven't seen in decades, or discussing family gossip, you get to engage in interesting conversations based on people with similar strong interests in particular topics. None of the people I follow on G+ are 'friends' with the exception of co-workers, inst…

That doesn't sound like a very good "primary benefit" since Google's strategy is clearly to get as many people to use G+ as possible. Either a) they'll be successful and your G+ stream will be barraged by "photos of cousins and aunts" anyway or b) it's not successful and they pull the plug.

Re: Google login now requires Google+ Account

#50
post #29
post #8

It's just so they can brag about having more "active users" than Twitter/Facebook/whatever.

That's not really fair. Google has been pretty good about defining activity on G+, much more so than either Twitter or Facebook. For example, they give individual numbers for total users visiting G+ on web/mobile, people using G+ features across all products (+1s, shares, comments), and total number of accounts.

Source? (all I've ever heard is that Google considers someone an "active" G+ user if they have a G+ account and have used any Google product over the period in question)
Post reply on HN