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Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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Out of curiosity, is there direct fiber from India to the US?

No, I couldn't find about any direct fiber [1] between India and US. But somehow while tracerout'ing, the very next hop after my ISP is a Los Angeles based IP. Another thing to note is that there are three direct fiber connecting India and Singapore but it is not being used by my ISP (BSNL). [1] http://www.submarinecablemap.com/

The IP "location" doesn't say anything.

My Azure IP shows up in Seattle, yet the connection goes to Amsterdam. What you're seeing is where the owner of the IP is located; that is not necessarily the same as the server.

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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encrypted mail messages are secure What is secure? If government sezies your key, in some jurisdictions they can compel you to release your passphrase (if one is required), then they can go back and decrypt absolutely everything you ever sent. (OTR gets around this but this is largely by leaving the network layer location privacy / initial authentication / key exchange problems out of scope.) Finally, traffic analysi…

Nothing is secure if you discount the rule of law. http://xkcd.com/538/

I don't think we were discounting the rule of law. We were going with the 'currently some western governments will force you to reveal your password' legal reality.

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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The main problem with abandoning Google is all the services associated with it, not only mail. And paid Gmail continues to offer mobile sync, which FastMail does not. Yet, FastMail looks quite nice.

Damn, I was about to sign up until I read this. I have to handle a lot of my work from my phone, and if it doesn't work well then I don't think it would be too useful for me. Do you know if there's any plan for them to release an android app that would let my phone sync? And I do realize the irony in trying to cut out google while using an android phone.

Maildroid works good for me. I made the switch to my webhoster a couple weeks ago.

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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For me, it's not that I'm afraid of GMail removing IMAP, it's that Gmail IMAP works really, really bad. For an email-client to work well with Gmail, it has to be tailored to Gmail, and that has given me some issues lately. For instance, most of my mail is sorted into labels, skipping the inbox. When using a mail client with IMAP, these labels shows as folders. Deleting the mail from my client, doesn't delete it from…

Wait, IMAP sucks because you do something in a non-standard way (labels in GMail) that is exposed over IMAP in the best way it can fake (folder) and it is IMAP's problem that automagically do what you think it should? And just for added measure, deleting the label seems to me to be the right thing to do.

No, I'm not blaming IMAP, I'm blaming Gmail for making it hard for me to use my email with a standard mail-client.

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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Wait, IMAP sucks because you do something in a non-standard way (labels in GMail) that is exposed over IMAP in the best way it can fake (folder) and it is IMAP's problem that automagically do what you think it should? And just for added measure, deleting the label seems to me to be the right thing to do.

OP's point was that one of IMAP's weakenesses is that it provides no clean way to represent what gmail does.

Actually I meant that it's one of Gmail weaknesses that I need a gmail-specific client to use it properly.

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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> MailMate and it's interesting thread hierarchy view. How times change. This is how message threading has always worked before we got gmail and Mail.app which I have resisted switching to for years because the just didn't do threading "right". And now get off my lawn :-)

So I've been told :)

I've been using email since like 1996 but had never seen that kind of thread hierarchy display until I used MailMate. I can't believe all these email clients have been holding out on me!

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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American company, American servers, American jurisdiction. Sure they won't read your email, but the NSA will (just like Gmail.) Update: hmm, so Opera aren't american? interesting. All the servers are definitely in the US though: > "we have standard servers and a high speed connection in the US." - https://www.fastmail.fm/help/overview_about.html

From only a week ago here on Hacker News, a comment about a news story on Australia:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6037235

From the article:

"The contract was prompted by Telstra's undersea telecommunications joint venture called Reach. When it sought a cable licence from the US Federal Communications Commission, the DoJ and the FBI insisted on a binding security agreement.

"The contract does not authorise Telstra or law enforcement agencies to undertake surveillance. But under the deed, Telstra must preserve and 'have the ability to provide' wire and electronic communications involving any customers who make any form of communication with a point of contact in the US, as well as 'transactional data' and 'call associated data' relating to such communications."

. . . .

"The document was signed by Douglas Gration, a barrister who was then Telstra's company secretary and official liaison for law enforcement and national security agencies. "He told the Herald he could not remember much about the agreement. 'Every country has a regime for that lawful interception,' he said. 'And Australia has got it as well.'"

This looks like a pattern of mutual agreements among governments that cooperate in routing and connecting cables for international telecommunications. The statement is NOT that every telephone call from Australia to another country is listened to, but that a data archive is maintained that might be accessible with court orders. Particularly significant is the statement that other countries ask for the same arrangement if a cable connects to or through that country.

Switching email providers has little to do with what governments have access to your data by mutual agreements among the governments.

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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American company, American servers, American jurisdiction. Sure they won't read your email, but the NSA will (just like Gmail.) Update: hmm, so Opera aren't american? interesting. All the servers are definitely in the US though: > "we have standard servers and a high speed connection in the US." - https://www.fastmail.fm/help/overview_about.html

Network protections are, as you pointed out, something they cannot control. At the legal policy level, they are somewhat less cooperative as an Austrialian company with US server assets.

"> I feel safe in speculating that if you will not pony up the emails to a US judge, the people who maintain the server farm here in the US will.

They can't - they have no access to the emails, because they can't login to the machines and they can't access the encryption keys for the data. All maintenance of the OS/software is done from Australia.

We've had a number of US-based law enforcement bodies over the year try to get hold of our data without going via the appropriate Australian bodies, and it doesn't work out for them. In the end, they have always ended up submitting a request for cooperation via the Australian Federal Police, as they are required to do, and we respond to that request in line with Australian law."

2009 Slashdot.org Interview with Howard Jeremy, Founder of Fastmail

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1391605&cid=2963395...

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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Only S/MIME, PGP or similarly encrypted mail messages are secure. All other mail is routed through various servers which may or may not use an encrypted connection. It's like trusting the post office to never read your mail (which they have the authority to do if they perceive some kind of safety threat). Encrypt the message contents if you care for message privacy. If you want sender/receiver privacy too, you can tr…

So why not use Gmail with PGP?

It's certainly an option, but you must use a client like Thunderbird to do it, loosing the ubiquity of the web interface. Maybe when window.crypto will be standardized and with a good browser extension we will have security and easy of use.

Re: Switching from Gmail to FastMail

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FastMail's (one of) my backup accounts. I don't use it often, so I don't really give out the address, but log in once every few months to confirm it still works.

It's wall to wall spam every time I open it up, stuff I don't ever see in Gmail.

There are tradeoffs....

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