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Re: Iranian Hackers Post Images Over JFK Airport From UAV That Was Hijacked In March

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Post by antocv »

kunai wrote: post #64
JeremyMorgan wrote: post #9

I'm not sure what we're looking at there, but it's something I probably shouldn't have clicked on.

Yeah, I really regret going there now... Which is really, really sad. It's come to this, where we have to be afraid of drivebys on websites just because they may be honeypots for the US government, or because they might get all of us on some surveillance list. When is it going to stop?

Its going to stop when you get a spine.

People like Snowden didnt ruin their lifes so you can avoid clicking links. For fucks sake, the least you can do is grow a pair of balls and exercise your god damn given freedom to do as you wish, stand up.

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Post by mikegioia »

msoad wrote: post #27
omegant wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of mystic poems? autors? not precisely these ones but generally. I find it interesting.

I'm not sure about authors, but I can try to translate. To give you a context, these poems are written by gnostic who believed they saw the real truth and they had no fear of dying because you can not never kill their souls. I assume any culture has this sort of things" First poem: We are stuck in a deep well of the bad thinking one Our message would not reach to you (God?) easily Second (red) I have experienced a lo…

Do you think this could be steganographic text? I wonder if they just post poem content but are really hiding other text.

Re: Iranian Hackers Post Images Over JFK Airport From UAV That Was Hijacked In March

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Post by achughes »

monkeynotes wrote: post #116
achughes wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, instead of anyone, I should have said "average citizens". Yes after 9/11 the government has a "your with us or your against us" attitude, promoted by Bush. However, your examples of Gitmo and kill lists are not evidence that this has continued. Those two examples only pertain to the ongoing war effort, not an intimidation campaign aimed at the average citizen, and the Americans that were involved were in the c…

> not an intimidation campaign aimed at the average citizen... > but ultimately the police are not focused on you. This is exactly what is wrong. As long as these massive injustices don't affect the 'average' middle class unit it's all ok. As long as the military police thrashing through your house on their latest manhunt aren't actually after you, that's ok. It all seems pretty Orwellian to me, right down to the cit…

Again... the key thing that makes it an Orwellian society is self-censorship, not just intimidation.

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Post by s_q_b »

javert wrote: post #120
s_q_b wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MIL-SPEC means encryption built to military specifications. It includes, but does not equate to, NSA Suite B cryptography. As you can imagine, using crypto designed by a paranoid spook agency would not be appropriate for all military applications, for example a near-real-time flight application. As a result, there are a variety of encryption standards used by the military, some of which would be approved by the NSA,…

Thanks. Regarding the Russians: Oh, I see, now. Yes, you're right that if country X cracks our encryption, we can't assume that they didn't get help from . > for example a near-real-time flight application. Wait, why do you say such a system wouldn't use NSA-grade encryption?

> for example a near-real-time flight application.

Primarily latency. Now, ideally you'd like the entire subsystem moved off disk into volatile memory, but for some things you're going to have to read from disk. I can imagine cases where that wouldn't be easily feasible if the drive had NSA crypto.

"Regarding the Russians: Oh, I see, now. Yes, you're right that if country X cracks our encryption, we can't assume that they didn't get help from ."

Right, but its more than that in the case of the Iranians. The Russians have a long and documented history of assistance to the Iranians and the Syrians.

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Post by msoad »

lostlogin wrote: post #88
msoad wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I tell you all your favorite website has right-to-left layout for right-to-left languages like Arabic, Hebrew and Farsi?

Which site are you meaning? Thinks like Google? Its made me realise how much I depend on so-called normal layouts for things like next page buttons etc. something I had never thought about really. Obviously I don't frequent many sites that are primarily in another language, Der Speigel is the only one I think. That site is left to right reading so it can follow the same formatting styles as English. I haven't noticed…

Yeah, Google (http://www.google.com/?hl=fa) Facebook. Basically any international website. If you ask UI developers of those companies they will tell you pains of making a UI that works both RTL and LTR

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Post by javert »

s_q_b wrote: post #124
javert wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Regarding the Russians: Oh, I see, now. Yes, you're right that if country X cracks our encryption, we can't assume that they didn't get help from . > for example a near-real-time flight application. Wait, why do you say such a system wouldn't use NSA-grade encryption?

> for example a near-real-time flight application. Primarily latency. Now, ideally you'd like the entire subsystem moved off disk into volatile memory, but for some things you're going to have to read from disk. I can imagine cases where that wouldn't be easily feasible if the drive had NSA crypto. "Regarding the Russians: Oh, I see, now. Yes, you're right that if country X cracks our encryption, we can't assume that…

> for some things you're going to have to read from disk.

I'm not sure I follow. For some things you're going to have to _write_ to disk... like captured video. (I wouldn't consider that to be the "real-time" part of the software, though.) And you might have to read from disk occasionally... maybe you have map information stored there... but that probably doesn't need to be real-time. Can you tell me an example where you would need to read from disk in real-time? (Which I think should anyway be impossible, regardless of whether or not heavy crypto is being used.)

> The Russians have a long and documented history of assistance to the Iranians and the Syrians.

Yeah, very true, I have noticed that, too.

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Post by s_q_b »

javert wrote: post #126
s_q_b wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for example a near-real-time flight application. Primarily latency. Now, ideally you'd like the entire subsystem moved off disk into volatile memory, but for some things you're going to have to read from disk. I can imagine cases where that wouldn't be easily feasible if the drive had NSA crypto. "Regarding the Russians: Oh, I see, now. Yes, you're right that if country X cracks our encryption, we can't assume that…

> for some things you're going to have to read from disk. I'm not sure I follow. For some things you're going to have to _write_ to disk... like captured video. (I wouldn't consider that to be the "real-time" part of the software, though.) And you might have to read from disk occasionally... maybe you have map information stored there... but that probably doesn't need to be real-time. Can you tell me an example where…

Sure! Man I love when people on hn ask genuine questions rather than trying to one up one another. It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to stop lurking for so long.

Much like the Mars rovers, the navigation system is loaded in a modular fashion, with complex algorithms for each scenario loaded on the fly. So for example, imagine a UAV goes into a stall. Likely the aircraft needs a whole new set of algorithms to recover. It's very likely I this case you'd need low latency disk reads. Now again, this is just a guess based upon my experience with similar systems. I've never developed a UAV system.

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Post by monkeynotes »

achughes wrote: post #123
monkeynotes wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not an intimidation campaign aimed at the average citizen... > but ultimately the police are not focused on you. This is exactly what is wrong. As long as these massive injustices don't affect the 'average' middle class unit it's all ok. As long as the military police thrashing through your house on their latest manhunt aren't actually after you, that's ok. It all seems pretty Orwellian to me, right down to the cit…

Again... the key thing that makes it an Orwellian society is self-censorship, not just intimidation.

Ok, here's a real life example then. My parents were on Skype to me today, and my Dad was talking about some controversial topic or another - a couple of times my mum said "you can't say that over the internet, people are listening".

Furthermore I actually disagree that self censorship is the key component of an Orwellian society. I think surveillance itself is the key component. Reading the interpretation below I challenge you to deny that the US and many other governments aren't well on their way to the dystopia described by Orwell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian#Meanings

Police charging through your house without permission whist you sit back and say 'they are just doing their job' is the epitome of an Orwellian society.

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Post by javert »

s_q_b wrote: post #127
javert wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for some things you're going to have to read from disk. I'm not sure I follow. For some things you're going to have to _write_ to disk... like captured video. (I wouldn't consider that to be the "real-time" part of the software, though.) And you might have to read from disk occasionally... maybe you have map information stored there... but that probably doesn't need to be real-time. Can you tell me an example where…

Sure! Man I love when people on hn ask genuine questions rather than trying to one up one another. It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to stop lurking for so long. Much like the Mars rovers, the navigation system is loaded in a modular fashion, with complex algorithms for each scenario loaded on the fly. So for example, imagine a UAV goes into a stall. Likely the aircraft needs a whole new set of algorithms to…

> Man I love when people on hn ask genuine questions rather than trying to one up one another. It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to stop lurking for so long.

Well then, you're exactly the kind of person we need to stop lurking and start participating, so welcome aboard. But yeah, I totally understand you.

> this is just a guess based upon my experience with similar systems

You mean planetary rovers? If not, can you be more specific? I realize it's not necessarily wise to divulge too much industrial information. I actually have worked on UAVs... not to the point that I can say the scenario you're presenting is incorrect (I wasn't involved in that kind of stuff), but I don't think it's very plausible. I could see that strategy being more reasonable on a super memory-constrained device where the system is radiation hardened, like space equipment. I would think for a normal UAV, you'd just keep all the code (algorithms) you might need in memory.

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Post by s_q_b »

javert wrote: post #129
s_q_b wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure! Man I love when people on hn ask genuine questions rather than trying to one up one another. It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to stop lurking for so long. Much like the Mars rovers, the navigation system is loaded in a modular fashion, with complex algorithms for each scenario loaded on the fly. So for example, imagine a UAV goes into a stall. Likely the aircraft needs a whole new set of algorithms to…

> Man I love when people on hn ask genuine questions rather than trying to one up one another. It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to stop lurking for so long. Well then, you're exactly the kind of person we need to stop lurking and start participating, so welcome aboard. But yeah, I totally understand you. > this is just a guess based upon my experience with similar systems You mean planetary rovers? If not,…

Its possible I'm wrong. I've never designed a UAV flight system, so I was speculating as to reasons why a lower level of encryption might be needed. Its possible that's not a realistic constraint for atmospheric craft.
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