This is the worst video I've seen this century. Is it even 320px? You can barely make out the tailplanes aboard the giant floating airport. Ain't nobody gonna end up in Gitmo for watching that crap. BUT The music makes me tense - that ain't no terrorist electronica. This is noise.
Iranian Hackers Post Images Over JFK Airport From UAV That Was Hijacked In March
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Re: Iranian Hackers Post Images Over JFK Airport From UAV That Was Hijacked In March
#112I call bullshit. There are numerous "funny bits" in this thread, number one, they display the info page for a "UAV Imager system" which in no way offers control of a drone. Second, the very generalized schematic for a nuclear power station, most likely a mid-60's design BWR, means nothing to anyone.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Iranians outsmarting NSA encryption? Not likely. Possible in theory and a huge deal, but not likely. If they decrpyted something from a military aircraft, it's much more likely that shoddy engineering work was done on that aspect of said aircraft because it was decided that security wasn't a top concern. (And, indeed, having pictures of JFK _isn't_ a big deal.)
Totally possible the imaging equipment retains data in an insecure fashion. However, milspec != NSA, and its highly likely the Russians would help the Iranians in such an endeavor in exchange for intelligence sharing.
> milspec != NSA
What exactly is "milspec"? I was under the impression that military security standards in the US _are_ produced by the NSA.
> highly likely the Russians would help the Iranians in such an endeavor in exchange for intelligence sharing.
I must be missing something... yes, but what do Russians have to do with it? I thought this was a US drone captured by Iranians. Genuine question here.
Re: Iranian Hackers Post Images Over JFK Airport From UAV That Was Hijacked In March
#114Look at OP's submissions..
What about them, exactly?
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#115This thread seems to be pretty chock full of some tinfoil hats. 1) You're not going to be added to "a list" because you clicked a link on hacker news. Remember that the NSA employs some of the smartest people in the world. Would it be meaningful to add a bunch of curious silicon valleyists to a list of "possible terrorists"? Probably not. 2) If you think that an aircraft that is anything bigger than a small pigeon co…
"If you think that an aircraft that is anything bigger than a small pigeon could get anywhere near a major airport without getting itself a nice escort, then you're nuts."
I'm reasonably sure I've got several "aircraft" in my shed which I could easily use to overfly "a major airport" if I chose to do so.
This one, for example, is at least medium or large pidgeon sized (610mm wingspan): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/5228554566/ - the flight in that video was around 2.5km from the intersection of the runways at Sydney Airport. That plane (with the camera on board) can fly for ~23 minutes doing 20m/s. That'd give me a comfortable 10mins loiter time over the airport while still being comfortably able to retrieve the camera and it's SD card.
Note - that's barely more that $100 worth of stuff, it's less than 150g all up flying weight, and it's got so little metal in it that I'd be astounded if the regular airport radar could distinguish it under ideal conditions, never mind while it's only a few tens of meters up and buried in the ground clutter.
Note2 - that plane would require retrieval to get the images back, someone actually interested in getting airport pictures without getting caught could use a slightly larger plane carrying a video transmitter sending pictures, never intending to get the plane back (ideally, I guess, ditching the plane at sea to avoid anyone seeing it - a hollow balsa/film construction that'd sink easily might be better than a foam "floating" construction.)
Note3 - that plane as it's configured now isn't flyable at 2.5km range, but there's lots of hobbyists who've worked around the problems there.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
>In this case the government hasn't intimidated anyone... I disagree, with the government having the 'you're with us or against us' polarizing attitude since 9/11 along with Gitmo and an official kill list I think the U.S. gov't is pretty intimidating for anyone who doesn't fall into line. Just look at what happened in Boston. A whole city shut down, house to house searches, an unprecedented reaction in the west for…
Sorry, instead of anyone, I should have said "average citizens". Yes after 9/11 the government has a "your with us or your against us" attitude, promoted by Bush. However, your examples of Gitmo and kill lists are not evidence that this has continued. Those two examples only pertain to the ongoing war effort, not an intimidation campaign aimed at the average citizen, and the Americans that were involved were in the c…
> not an intimidation campaign aimed at the average citizen...
> but ultimately the police are not focused on you.
This is exactly what is wrong. As long as these massive injustices don't affect the 'average' middle class unit it's all ok. As long as the military police thrashing through your house on their latest manhunt aren't actually after you, that's ok. It all seems pretty Orwellian to me, right down to the citizens actually justifying it all.
Anyway to be more on point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident
This seems pretty intimidating to me. It would certainly make me think twice about attending even the most peaceful of protests. Pepper spray and tazing is a common response to people objecting to the status quo. Hell, if you want to protest a political rally you have to actually go to a 'free speech zone', if that isn't Orwellian enough for you I don't know what is. Than again, the 'average' citizen probably is ok with a two party 'choice' and so doesn't need free speech.
And then you have Obama's HR347 'anti protest' bill which could potentially be used to lock people up for many years for protesting in an area which the Secret Service/DHS etc. has secretly declared a heightened area of security.
It's really frightening how much potential leeway there currently is for arbitrarily locking U.S. citizens up. All these loosely defined laws are sitting around just waiting for someone to come in and abuse them. While things are quiet and everyone is behaving it all seems ok, but as soon as there is a bit of trouble, another Occupy protest for example it will be a different story.
Watch how you see your right to due process being eroded away next, it's already not needed when hunting down suspects on foreign soil. You watch as language is changed, terms subtly augmented to make it ok to execute US citizens with a drone - you know, for your protection. Maybe you, the average citizen, aren't intimidated yet, but perhaps tomorrow you might be.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-08/obama-s-drone-attac... http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/19/us-usa-security-dr...
Re: Iranian Hackers Post Images Over JFK Airport From UAV That Was Hijacked In March
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Totally possible the imaging equipment retains data in an insecure fashion. However, milspec != NSA, and its highly likely the Russians would help the Iranians in such an endeavor in exchange for intelligence sharing.
> milspec != NSA What exactly is "milspec"? I was under the impression that military security standards in the US _are_ produced by the NSA. > highly likely the Russians would help the Iranians in such an endeavor in exchange for intelligence sharing. I must be missing something... yes, but what do Russians have to do with it? I thought this was a US drone captured by Iranians. Genuine question here.
MIL-SPEC means encryption built to military specifications. It includes, but does not equate to, NSA Suite B cryptography. As you can imagine, using crypto designed by a paranoid spook agency would not be appropriate for all military applications, for example a near-real-time flight application. As a result, there are a variety of encryption standards used by the military, some of which would be approved by the NSA, others which wouldn't.
It's a good question about the Russians. The ties between Russia and Iran are much tighter than most in the US realize, especially when it comes to national security, and particularly with regard to US-related issues. If we used industrial grade crypto on a system, it would be in line with past behaviors for the Russians to help the Iranians with it.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
US drones over US skies Are you saying the US uses drones on their own territory? If yes, what for? Spying their own people comes to my mind, but maybe I read to much spy stories lately and there are legitimate reasons.
The US does use drones over its own territory, but whether it's for "legitimate reasons" is still a controversial matter. One planned use for them, if not already, is to patrol the US-Mexican border. The FBI has very recently admitted to using them for domestic surveillance, but I don't think specifics were mentioned.
The US does patrol the borders with UAVs, and has been for a long time. They don't even try to hide it...
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Last time I checked reverse engineering forums weren't forbidden by the thought police.
He actually has a point, sadly. Visiting a "Jihadist" website, based on some arbitrary definition and interpretation from some cyber freedom fighter in DC, VA, or MD, is enough to get your "metadata" added to their graphs. You think Iranian sites with posts about hacking the US aren't on that list? I don't. It's not enough to get you a visit from the feds or anything, but it's almost certain that any competent intell…
So link to it from your Facebook and Twitter, encourage its spread, it'll get thousands of visits, and if the government is adding its readers to a list then there will be far more people who end up complaining.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> milspec != NSA What exactly is "milspec"? I was under the impression that military security standards in the US _are_ produced by the NSA. > highly likely the Russians would help the Iranians in such an endeavor in exchange for intelligence sharing. I must be missing something... yes, but what do Russians have to do with it? I thought this was a US drone captured by Iranians. Genuine question here.
MIL-SPEC means encryption built to military specifications. It includes, but does not equate to, NSA Suite B cryptography. As you can imagine, using crypto designed by a paranoid spook agency would not be appropriate for all military applications, for example a near-real-time flight application. As a result, there are a variety of encryption standards used by the military, some of which would be approved by the NSA,…
Thanks.
Regarding the Russians: Oh, I see, now. Yes, you're right that if country X cracks our encryption, we can't assume that they didn't get help from .
> for example a near-real-time flight application.
Wait, why do you say such a system wouldn't use NSA-grade encryption?