Because I can't read moon runes, what is this this about? Its bad enough when people drop technical posts without context, but seriously what is this saying? Perhaps we should actively encourage posts in English so that anybody from Bangkok, Baghdad, Beijing and Boston and could understand these posts.
Iranian Hackers Post Images Over JFK Airport From UAV That Was Hijacked In March
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#102This thread seems to be pretty chock full of some tinfoil hats. 1) You're not going to be added to "a list" because you clicked a link on hacker news. Remember that the NSA employs some of the smartest people in the world. Would it be meaningful to add a bunch of curious silicon valleyists to a list of "possible terrorists"? Probably not. 2) If you think that an aircraft that is anything bigger than a small pigeon co…
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but to be Orwellian the self-censorship must be borne out of government intimidation. In this case the government hasn't intimidated anyone, we were just leaked information. Unless you want to argue that Snowden intentionally leaked the PRISM slides so that society would be intimidated by the governments reach, thus giving way to society censoring itself without them having to publicly punish people that were gu…
I'm not quite sure about that, people feel quite intimidated when they see how this government treats people like Snowden and Manning. I would argue that the self-censorship is one way to avoid being treated like them.
While I agree that the government is trying to intimidate people with their treatment of Snowden and Manning, I think the goals of the intimidating are very different. In these cases the people they are trying to intimidate are potential leakers, not average citizens. The goal is not to promote self-censorship, but keep existing government employees from leaking classified information.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/19/us-usa-security-dr...
I stand corrected, this is shocking.
The Attorney General also stated that drone strikes against Americans within U.S. borders would be legal and that while they haven't yet been done they would consider them if the circumstances were right.
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#105If you look at OP's submissions you can see that well, this person posts iranian hacking stuff, and thats it. Makes you wonder about OP's motives. I'm also okay if the NSA targets OP looking at his submission list.
It's probably a throwaway account for posting information related to this.
Shame on you.
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#106If you look at OP's submissions you can see that well, this person posts iranian hacking stuff, and thats it. Makes you wonder about OP's motives. I'm also okay if the NSA targets OP looking at his submission list.
I looked at his submission history. I see four items.
The first, dated four days ago (and the only I see one preceeding this), is a title making some sort of claim about Booz Hamilton based on a whois lookup. Not exactly a quality submission, but it has nothing to do with Iran or hacking.
The other three submissions are all about what seems to be some news he's stumbled on about hacking/reverse engineering claims from Iran.
Considering this is 'Hacker' news, you can understand why he might think we'd be interested in this. Of course, it would be better form for him to write up an article explaining the separation or link between these items rather than posting lots of direct evidence.
None of that means he should expect to have his privacy breached by a US intelligence agency, and frankly your support for that on the basis of such a flimsy characterisation is blood-chilling.
A lot of people seem to have become alarmed because they've seen persian text and heard that it's about hacking. That's equally chilling.
Is this all it takes?
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but to be Orwellian the self-censorship must be borne out of government intimidation. In this case the government hasn't intimidated anyone, we were just leaked information. Unless you want to argue that Snowden intentionally leaked the PRISM slides so that society would be intimidated by the governments reach, thus giving way to society censoring itself without them having to publicly punish people that were gu…
>In this case the government hasn't intimidated anyone... I disagree, with the government having the 'you're with us or against us' polarizing attitude since 9/11 along with Gitmo and an official kill list I think the U.S. gov't is pretty intimidating for anyone who doesn't fall into line. Just look at what happened in Boston. A whole city shut down, house to house searches, an unprecedented reaction in the west for…
Sorry, instead of anyone, I should have said "average citizens".
Yes after 9/11 the government has a "your with us or your against us" attitude, promoted by Bush. However, your examples of Gitmo and kill lists are not evidence that this has continued. Those two examples only pertain to the ongoing war effort, not an intimidation campaign aimed at the average citizen, and the Americans that were involved were in the current warzone, not shipped off to Gitmo from the US.
I would address the Boston situation, but I don't think it is relevant. Sure shutting down the city is intimidating, but so is any other active shooter situation like a school shooting. You might feel intimidated by the police presence but ultimately the police are not focused on you.
But more to the point, of course the US is an intimidating place at times, everywhere is, but the key is that the intimidation is not focused on citizen self-censorship, which I think is the key to saying that we live in an Orwellian society.
Whether or not the US is an intimidating place, or debates about the validity of the Boston searches and curfew is a different discussion. They are not forms of intimidation aimed at self-censorship, and thus not valid reasons that we should assume that we live in an Orwellian surveillance state.
If you would like to have a debate about the role, or non-role of self-censorship in an Orwellian society, and you believe that some other form of intimidation is a valid criteria then I am all ears, but the discussion isn't about intimidation in general, only intimidation whose ultimate goal is self-censorship.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
My political ideals happen to align closely with the Founding Fathers, and I've been vocal enough about that to assume that if the feds care, they already know. So I just don't really care what they know about me anymore. If it comes to the point that it looks like they might start rounding up people like me, I'll flee the country, like a German Jew ideally would have in 1930s Germany. If it doesn't come to that poin…
If you ideals aligned closely with the Founding Fathers then the very fact your government is spying on the citizens would be something to care about, it would matter. The 'it doesn't really matter what they know about me' attitude misses the whole point. The point is, it really matters that they are collecting data on citizens. The Founding Fathers would be disappointed to know that apathy was the downfall of their…
My point wasn't that I don't care, my point was to give an alternative to self-censorship in terms of what you say and what websites you visit.
I've repeatedly asked for advice on HN in terms of what I can actually _do_ to improve the situation. I also recently posted a long rant asking for personal advice on leaving the country so as to not provide indirect support to what's going on [1]. If you have any suggestions, I'd really appreciate it.
I was really puzzled about what to do, because the Founding Fathers would NOT put up with this shit. Then I realized the key difference. The Founding Fathers started the American Revolution _because they could win_. They didn't worship freedom like some kind of religion. They were not self-sacrificial. They were trying to make their lives better. They were egoists.
What can I do, that has any remote chance of success? I can't think of anything. A revolution today would be a huge disaster, not that I'm even capable of starting one. All I can do is keep advocating a bit, and wait it out, and hope it gets better. To cease producing and go on strike at this point would not make any difference, except to be self-sacrificial.
If you have any suggestions, please let me know. However, I don't think suggestions like "Call your Congressman" are viable, and that's what I often get.
If we could get all the productive people in the country to refuse to put up with this shit and go on strike, we could do something. If everyone in the NSA and the military had the scruples and moral principles of Snowden, we could end this shit overnight. But there is too little agreement. Such a strike will not happen, and if it did, whatever these people came up with next would probably be much worse than what we have now.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/x?fnid=QFgl37XVMgSe59KGmzDlnj (though I don't recommend you waste your time reading it)
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. You have a lot more confidence in our government's ability to accurately compile lists than I do, particularly in light of the failures of the no-fly list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List#False_positives 2. Based on commentary from native Persian speakers on this thread, it would appear that no one is claiming that the drone was remotely piloted by Iranians into US Airspace, but rather the one that was s…
"2. Based on commentary from native Persian speakers on this thread, it would appear that no one is claiming that the drone was remotely piloted by Iranians into US Airspace, but rather the one that was shot down in Iran several months ago (confirmed by the US Government) had these photos on it." If this is true it means the Iranians compromised the encryption on the UAV's drive, which would be seriously not good.
The Iranians outsmarting NSA encryption? Not likely. Possible in theory and a huge deal, but not likely. If they decrpyted something from a military aircraft, it's much more likely that shoddy engineering work was done on that aspect of said aircraft because it was decided that security wasn't a top concern. (And, indeed, having pictures of JFK _isn't_ a big deal.)
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
"2. Based on commentary from native Persian speakers on this thread, it would appear that no one is claiming that the drone was remotely piloted by Iranians into US Airspace, but rather the one that was shot down in Iran several months ago (confirmed by the US Government) had these photos on it." If this is true it means the Iranians compromised the encryption on the UAV's drive, which would be seriously not good.
The Iranians outsmarting NSA encryption? Not likely. Possible in theory and a huge deal, but not likely. If they decrpyted something from a military aircraft, it's much more likely that shoddy engineering work was done on that aspect of said aircraft because it was decided that security wasn't a top concern. (And, indeed, having pictures of JFK _isn't_ a big deal.)
Totally possible the imaging equipment retains data in an insecure fashion.
However, milspec != NSA, and its highly likely the Russians would help the Iranians in such an endeavor in exchange for intelligence sharing.