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Venezuela: My experience in the surveillance state

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Re: Venezuela: My experience in the surveillance state

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An earlier article submitted here was by the the pentagon paper's guy (who decided not to go into exile), in which he said Snowden did the right thing and would have ended up like BM had he stayed.

While I understand that the authority that you're appealing to is considered canonical, it's still an appeal to authority. Ellsberg has no more actual insight into the treatment one should expect to receive in the civilian justice system than any other 2013 hacktivist. After all we have the existing example of the NSA whistleblowers who did stay, and while they were not treated kindly by the judicial system, they wer…

Since we're both fans of logic, I'll make small nitpicks:

I wasn't appealing to authority because I wasn't making an argument -- just making sure you knew of the articles existence. Also, in reference to "it's still an appeal...": You shouldn't imply that an appeal to authority is always wrong (It's only wrong if the authority is not appropriate; and it's never implied that authorities are infallible). However, you rightly went on to attack the authorities arguments -- but like I said, nitpick for fun.

One thing that's not clear to me is your last paragraph. Why was Snowden approving of judicial oversight? My understanding was that he had faith that a broken system might repair itself, then upon realize it was only getting worse, leaked the info to the public. Escaping this system afterwards wouldn't be hypocrisy.

Re: Venezuela: My experience in the surveillance state

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I found this article fascinating, more because of the background it gives on the current situation in Venezuela than because of suggestions of Snowden's possible exile there. It truly does sound like Venezuela is close to dystopia, exactly the sort of dystopia that Snowden (and many others before him) have warned about. The routine use of surveillance on television shows to discredit opponents at all levels of the sy…

> While this might be useful ammunition for the US administration to smear Snowden by association The U.S. won't even have to hardly mention all this. All they need to say is that Snowden fled to Hugo Chavez's native land, on purpose, and public opinion will be sealed in the U.S.

Perhaps I have more confidence in the perspicacity of the US public than you, and you should also note this is a global issue, not just a US one. To me this story says more about the dangers of a surveillance state than about Snowden.

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