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Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#51

Post by slantyyz »

mtgx wrote: post #33
psbp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at least forced Samsung to make some better hardware choices.

And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android. I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.

>> despite the OS

For a normal user, how much does the OS matter in 2013?

The OS playing ground is much more level today than it was in 2008.

I'll be upgrading my iPhone 4 soon, and frankly, I'll be considering everything OS out there. I'll actually be choosing based on hardware more than OS, because all the web services that I use are supported by every operating system.

I guess if you're really into apps, the ecosystem might matter, but I suspect a normal, non-geek really doesn't need access to hundreds of thousands of apps if their core needs are satisfied.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#52

Post by slantyyz »

untog wrote: post #48
slantyyz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The upcoming Sony i1 should please many people. It's rumored to have a 1/2.3" sensor - while smaller than the Nokia's sensor, it's still quite large for a phone.

Over 5 inches big, though. Sigh.

Haha, YMMV.

As an "older person" whose eyesight is progressively getting worse, I consider the 5 inches to be a blessing more than a curse.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#53

Post by danmaz74 »

mtgx wrote: post #33
psbp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at least forced Samsung to make some better hardware choices.

And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android. I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.

I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too. Having a differentiation that you can't protect at all is not worth having many less apps to offer.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#54

Post by slantyyz »

mmanfrin wrote: post #37
ebbv wrote: post #14

They ruined the design of the old Lumia for the benefit of a better camera. Who's really clamoring for that? And who's willing to pay $299.99 with 2 year contract for it? Nokia really doesn't know what they're doing.

It's not about the camera, it's about presenting Nokia as a producer of a premium phone, so that other versions of Nokia look better in comparison. No one cares about Windows Phone, but when Nokia makes headlines for 41-megapixels, the general populace that doesn't really get that they don't need 41-megapixels will nevertheless notice, and think 'wow, that is a lot, does my iPhone have that?'. 99.9% of people who wil…

>> 99.9% of people who will buy this phone will never have a need for 41 megapixels.

Nokia's really screwing up the messaging on this, as people are fixating on the megapixel count -- they are missing the forest for the trees.

The best images you will get out of this phone will actually be the oversampled images, which have significantly fewer megapixels.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#55

Post by Geee »

Osmium wrote: post #21
untog wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article does a really bad job of explaining what's going on here- the resulting photos won't be 41megapixels. It uses that huge amount as a means to "smooth out" the noise/oddities in the photo, and save it as a more reasonable 5MP or 8MP image.

Presumably the individual pixel size is smaller though? So where's the true advantage here vs having fewer larger pixels which would presumably have less noise anyway.

Pixels are also used for lossless zoom. You can crop a 5 MPix image from the full image with about similar quality as straight from iPhone's sensor.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#56

Post by 300bps »

untog wrote: post #2

As someone who takes a lot of photos with my phone, this interests me a lot. Though as someone who has previously used Windows Phone, I'm very skeptical about going back to it. This is the first device that makes me wonder about Nokia's WP-exclusive decision. They didn't go with Android to avoid becoming "yet another" Android manufacturer, and I agree with that sentiment (look at how few are turning a profit). Howeve…

I've had the Lumia 928 for 3 weeks now. My three previous phones were iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4s.

Part of me wishes that I would've gone Windows Phone sooner but the realistic part of me realizes that Windows Phone 7 was still nowhere near the quality of iOS.

Windows Phone 8 is a completely different matter though. It's superior to my old iPhones in almost every way. Live tiles, SkyDrive integration (much better than iCloud especially if you get the 25 GB free from Microsoft), much better maps application, tight OneNote integration, native Office support, excellent Remote Desktop support. The other thing that's important to note is that the web browsing is just as good and email is just as good. I actually do those two things more than any other function on my phone.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by untog »

danmaz74 wrote: post #53
mtgx wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android. I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.

I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too. Having a differentiation that you can't protect at all is not worth having many less apps to offer.

I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too.

They can, but they don't. And Nokia is indisputably the king of Windows Phone world, even though HTC have created some perfectly great devices. It's unlikely that Nokia could ever topple Samsung from the Android top spot.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#58

Post by slantyyz »

revaaron wrote: post #17
chenster wrote: post #7

My first impression is, does more mpegapixel instantly make the Nokia Lumia 1020 a better phone? If you truly want to take good photos, use a real camera, like a DSLR. Admittedly, 41-megapixel is quite a wow factor, but based on the hardware specs it seems it's more of a camera than a phone. The other questions is, do people want to every photo to be 20MB+?

It's also worth noting that this and the 38 MP Nokia 808 phone have a 1/1.2" sensor, larger than all but one fixed lens compact camera, including cellphones. The only compact with a larger sensor is the Sony RX100/RX100 II. Not quite DSLR quality, but higher quality than you'll get out of most compacts. The high MP counts allows you do downsample/pixel bin for higher quality images and also allows room to crop, provi…

>> Not quite DSLR quality

If you are a big DxOMark fan, you'll find the RX100mk2 scores a 67, while the RX100 scores a 66, which is the same score as a Canon 7D's sensor.

And while you may argue that the 7D's sensor is old, Canon's been pumping variations of the 7D sensor into all of their recent APS cameras short of the freshly announced 70D.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#59

Post by untog »

300bps wrote: post #56
untog wrote: post #2

As someone who takes a lot of photos with my phone, this interests me a lot. Though as someone who has previously used Windows Phone, I'm very skeptical about going back to it. This is the first device that makes me wonder about Nokia's WP-exclusive decision. They didn't go with Android to avoid becoming "yet another" Android manufacturer, and I agree with that sentiment (look at how few are turning a profit). Howeve…

I've had the Lumia 928 for 3 weeks now. My three previous phones were iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4s. Part of me wishes that I would've gone Windows Phone sooner but the realistic part of me realizes that Windows Phone 7 was still nowhere near the quality of iOS. Windows Phone 8 is a completely different matter though. It's superior to my old iPhones in almost every way. Live tiles, SkyDrive integration (much bett…

At the risk of starting a device war, I'd agree with everything you've said, except that Android does a lot of those important things better still. Maps in particular- Google Maps is utterly unparalleled.

But it's all down to the user- I have no requirement for Remote Desktop support, so that doesn't matter to me. I don't use OneNote or Office, and use Dropbox for file syncing.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

#60

Post by Recoil42 »

TylerE wrote: post #22
revaaron wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could get this on an Android phone, I'd probably go for it. I'd really like a camera on my phone which wasn't next to useless.

The problem with phone cameras (mostly) ins't the sensor, it's the glass, or lack there-of.

It's both, actually. But that said, Nokia uses very good glass.

It's only once you get up to P&Ss and DSLRs that the glass can really hold back the sensors -- phone sensors are always struggling to make a compromise between package size and image quality, and usually package size wins.

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