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Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by dntrkv »

edent wrote: post #3

So, two years later Windows Phone has finally caught up with Symbian! Is it because WP couldn't handle the camera - or were Microsoft actively crippling Nokia's technical advantages over the other OEMs?

Oh yes, because Symbian was such a great OS!

I really don't understand all you Symbian lovers / WP haters. Symbian was the shittiest mobile OS that I have ever used. I would use Windows Mobile before Symbian. I remember when all the Nokia lovers were raging about the N97, so I decided to pick one up for something like $700 because it seemed like a great phone (and it had great specs for the time). It was the worst phone experience I ever had. Even after doing all the updates and mods that everyone suggested, it was still extremely buggy and slow.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by revaaron »

TylerE wrote: post #22
revaaron wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could get this on an Android phone, I'd probably go for it. I'd really like a camera on my phone which wasn't next to useless.

The problem with phone cameras (mostly) ins't the sensor, it's the glass, or lack there-of.

I won't argue that camera phone lenses are high quality, but you can really only push a 1/3" or 1/4" sensor so far.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by epsylon »

psbp wrote: post #16
untog wrote: post #2

As someone who takes a lot of photos with my phone, this interests me a lot. Though as someone who has previously used Windows Phone, I'm very skeptical about going back to it. This is the first device that makes me wonder about Nokia's WP-exclusive decision. They didn't go with Android to avoid becoming "yet another" Android manufacturer, and I agree with that sentiment (look at how few are turning a profit). Howeve…

I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at least forced Samsung to make some better hardware choices.

WP, especially WP8 got pretty got reviews. Why the hate ? Especially with Nokia phones where you get Nokia Maps for free. I don't know of any Android phone where you get an offline quality GPS for free.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by jcarney »

mmanfrin wrote: post #37
ebbv wrote: post #14

They ruined the design of the old Lumia for the benefit of a better camera. Who's really clamoring for that? And who's willing to pay $299.99 with 2 year contract for it? Nokia really doesn't know what they're doing.

It's not about the camera, it's about presenting Nokia as a producer of a premium phone, so that other versions of Nokia look better in comparison. No one cares about Windows Phone, but when Nokia makes headlines for 41-megapixels, the general populace that doesn't really get that they don't need 41-megapixels will nevertheless notice, and think 'wow, that is a lot, does my iPhone have that?'. 99.9% of people who wil…

>99.9% of people who will buy this phone will never have a need for 41 megapixels. But they'll buy it just the same.

The tech does make normal pictures look better because of the oversampling. Not to mention optical image stabilization for reducing blur and shake in both image and video.

http://i.imgur.com/fUe8rLC.png

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Post by slantyyz »

TylerE wrote: post #32
slantyyz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The problem with phone cameras (mostly) ins't the sensor, it's the glass, or lack there-of. Is that a problem with the camera or the user's expectations of what that camera can do? You can only push the laws of physics (with respect to optics, especially) so far, and if you want a camera that can fit in the pocket of a pair of skinny jeans, compromises must be made.

Sure. My point is this is the _worst_ kind of spec padding.

>> My point is this is the _worst_ kind of spec padding.

How so? This is actually the first officially announced smartphone (I also have a keen interest in the upcoming Sony i1, but it's not a reality yet) that I'd consider buying just for the camera.

Personally, I think Nokia has taken an interesting approach with the sensor, because the added resolution gives them leeway in overcoming the optics problem (from a focal length perspective, at least) in that the "digital zoom" will produce better results than any other phone.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by vanderZwan »

mtgx wrote: post #35
vanderZwan wrote: post #27

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I am clamoring for that. A smartphone that combines the best of the 808 pureview[1] sensor and the improvements of the Lumia 920 like image stabilization and better dynamic range[2]? Yes please. Also, I'm in Europe so don't need to worry about US contract woes. [1] http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8083837371/review-nokia-808... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbvhZ-Mq4aQ

In Europe you have to worry about this being close to 1000 euro, unlocked, which is what its price will be.

True. Worst part is that in the long run combined with the right contract, that's still a cheaper option.

Phones tied to contracts are scams.

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Post by untog »

slantyyz wrote: post #23
revaaron wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could get this on an Android phone, I'd probably go for it. I'd really like a camera on my phone which wasn't next to useless.

The upcoming Sony i1 should please many people. It's rumored to have a 1/2.3" sensor - while smaller than the Nokia's sensor, it's still quite large for a phone.

Over 5 inches big, though. Sigh.

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Post by jcarney »

mtgx wrote: post #33
psbp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at least forced Samsung to make some better hardware choices.

And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android. I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.

I am glad that there's more competition in the marketplace rather than just Apple and Android and that there are companies looking beyond earnings in their next quarter.

Apple could have probably made more money over the years by selling Macs with Windows and retiring their own OS.

Competition is good, for example see the flat look and concentration on typography that both Android and iOS borrowed from Windows Phone.

That's why I don't get all the deriding of Firefox OS and Ubuntu Phone. Android has plenty hardware OEMs behind it.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by untog »

ing33k wrote: post #47

I am a huge fan of android , but using wp since the past 3 months, I hope that people who comment badly about wp will use it once before complaining about it.

I used Windows Phone 7. The UI was fantastic. The platform innovation was poor. The Maps app (including the Nokia one) was poor- and utterly terrible at interpreting addresses. Any IM experience outside of the built-in (and not extendable) native options was awful.

I want to like WP, but in many ways it was a mercy when MS decided that my (few month-old) phone wasn't going to get any updates any more and persuaded me to head back to Android.

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