Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO • Hacker News Board

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by Someone » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:21 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #149

Someone wrote: post #124

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Apparently, it is fairly normal behavior; people activate a "leave plane" program. Having only one, they pick the one involving grabbing one's luggage before getting out of the plane. (Sorry, can't find a reference. Most hits I get are either on emergency reaction/response by outside teams or on long-term emergency responses such as PTSD, community reactions, etc)

We do whatever we're used to. I fly gliders, where it's fairly common to wear parachutes in flight to guard against structural failure or mid-air collision. We're told that when we're done flying, we should always exit the glider first , then remove the parachute. Some people will unbuckle the parachute first, then step out. Some of these people have gone on to bail out in flight, and they undo their seat belts, unbu…

In indoor climbing arenas, people operating the safety line may unbuckle it seeing their regular partner land safely on the floor, even if they aren't securing their regular partner at that particular moment. Here, the recommended procedure is to always have the one who was climbing release the security line.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by dmacvicar » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:22 PM UTC

agilebyte wrote: post #151

frozenport wrote: post #99

Is this a case for or against automatic airplane control?

Free flight was supposed to have happened already. But there are obstacles. As for ATCs if you do not make use of a skill frequently, you atrophy. When you are suddenly thrown in the middle of an emergency, you perform badly. We can't have "mall cops" watching computers doing air traffic control. People do not like automation that much either. Consider the fact that underground trains have drivers even though technic…

Nuremberg, Germany here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_U-Bahn#ATC_and_driver...

We have driverless trains without drivers at all. There is some staff getting into random trains to check for problems (like problematic passengers, etc).

Interesting thing: the migration is going gradually, there are trains with drivers running on the same line than driverless trains, and IIRC this was never done before.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by untog » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:25 PM UTC

callmeed wrote: post #142

bsg75 wrote: post #36

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Amazing changes in information [1] flow. HN becomes a better source than all major networks combined. [1] Information as contrasted to conjecture and dramatization.

I've had CNN on for a while and it's amazing how little information they are giving. Until I came here i didn't know if there were 2 dead or 200 dead. It's almost as if they are so concerned with being wrong about anything that they can't offer any sort of initial report, rumor, or conjecture.

Call me old fashioned, but I'd prefer if the rumour and conjecture stayed on Twitter.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:25 PM UTC

robbiet480 wrote: post #2

(latest info at bottom of comment) ABC reports it was coming from Taipei, linked forum says Taipei. Video of aftermath. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be . Redwood City FD responding. Unknown amount of passengers. SFO FD using foam on entire plane. FAA has now shut down operations at SFO due to "disabled plane" 3rd alarm called, "red" alarm called. Multiple reports that fuselage is in multi…

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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by tankenmate » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:29 PM UTC

bfung wrote: post #134

I know this is exciting news and all, but: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hacker News Guidelines What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're…

From what I saw it impacted before the runway. This brings back memories of the British Airways 777 that came down early due to loss of power to both engines (Speedbird 38, Beijing to London). The cause of that was ice blocking the fuel filters which starved both engines. The thing to check here was what altitude the plane was flying at for most of the flight, and what temperature it was at that altitude along the flight path.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by austenallred » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:29 PM UTC

shock-value wrote: post #87

austenallred wrote: post #27

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Awesome reporting! Seriously, good job. I honestly believe that a collection of sources like this is the future of news; allow people to draw their own conclusions based on the first-hand content you can collect. Shameless plug: OK, that's actually what I've been building for a few months. We had to break it to finish building it (sorry, or i'd just show you), but our launchrock page is at http://grasswire.com if you…

I don't think it's appropriate to be hawking your product in the midst of a (potential) tragedy. This is nothing to be excited over.

Saying that I'm "excited" about a tragedy (I'll remove the word "potential" as so far at least two people have died) is unfair. You make it seem like I'm getting stoked that a plane crashed.

I'm not trying to "hawk" anything, but am trying to help create a system that will help people understand the world around them in a better, more efficient way. If linking to it in this thread feels cheap then I apologize, but that wasn't the intent at all.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by austenallred » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:34 PM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #141

austenallred wrote: post #44

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That's fair, but I think I still disagree. If you are only looking at one source, sure, it can be confusing, but if you have a good collection of all of the first-hand sources really you are able to draw the same conclusion that any reporter might be able to. Right now we have basically outsourced the job of drawing conclusions from opinionated people to reporters. Given the right information I believe every person c…

we have basically outsourced the job of drawing conclusions from opinionated people to reporters Yes, and this is economically efficient. Of course they get all sorts of things wrong at the outset - the fact that this is annoying is a reflection of how much we rely on them. But the fact is that in most cases we don't especially need to know these things immediately; I'm curious about this crash, of course, but it doe…

What I'm saying is that if you could use the aggregate cognitive surplus of the people trying to follow the event as it breaks, you could use that to create something cohesive and reliable. Then if you're not a news junkie and don't have any interest in following a story until it has settled down, you're welcome to do so.

[edit] In response to the question above: So is your question why would somebody follow something as it breaks?

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by enraged_camel » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:35 PM UTC

lesslaw wrote: post #8

Why is this HN relevant ?

Because the guidelines clearly state that anything the audience here finds interesting or noteworthy is relevant, that is why.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by shock-value » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:37 PM UTC

austenallred wrote: post #166

shock-value wrote: post #87

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I don't think it's appropriate to be hawking your product in the midst of a (potential) tragedy. This is nothing to be excited over.

Saying that I'm "excited" about a tragedy (I'll remove the word "potential" as so far at least two people have died) is unfair. You make it seem like I'm getting stoked that a plane crashed. I'm not trying to "hawk" anything, but am trying to help create a system that will help people understand the world around them in a better, more efficient way. If linking to it in this thread feels cheap then I apologize, but th…

Edit: scratch the original response here, I mixed your username up with another user's reply. Sorry about that. I still feel you shouldn't be promoting your website/news service in this thread, however.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by sliverstorm » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 10:39 PM UTC

bfung wrote: post #134

I know this is exciting news and all, but: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hacker News Guidelines What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're…

It's interesting in the context of the issues with the 787, which HN has shown plenty of interest in.

It could have nothing to do with the 787, but show me lots of articles about the 787 and I'm going to be tangentially interested in the 777.

It is also interesting in the context of HN when you think of the people who talk about how airlines need to be disrupted. It serves as a reminder of the stakes- you can't necessarily jump into the airlines business shooting from the hip and hoping for the best.