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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#141
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I agree. From those first pictures I saw (charred plane) I drew my own conclusion that a large number of people must have died. From the latest reports, it appears I was wrong. Sometimes we don't know enough to make meaningful conclusions without experts weighing in. Not to mention bias- first hand accounts are rarely impartial. In this instance there aren't any "sides" to take, but I'd bet that most of…

That's fair, but I think I still disagree. If you are only looking at one source, sure, it can be confusing, but if you have a good collection of all of the first-hand sources really you are able to draw the same conclusion that any reporter might be able to. Right now we have basically outsourced the job of drawing conclusions from opinionated people to reporters. Given the right information I believe every person c…

we have basically outsourced the job of drawing conclusions from opinionated people to reporters

Yes, and this is economically efficient. Of course they get all sorts of things wrong at the outset - the fact that this is annoying is a reflection of how much we rely on them. But the fact is that in most cases we don't especially need to know these things immediately; I'm curious about this crash, of course, but it doesn't affect me directly and there's nothing I can do about it. It's actually better that I didn't check the news until a bit later in the day when some time had gone by and the details had firmed up - I'm a little behind the curve, but I've saved 2 hours of pointless and probably poorly-founded speculation. If it wasn't for the fact that my wife watches more TV than I do I'd probably go days at a time without checking, and just catch up Saturdays when the Economist arrives.

I understand being a news junkie - because I am one. But it's an unhealthy habit that rarely yields enough advantage to justify the time involved. I'll check out your startup but really, I suspect it would just be an endless time sink for me. I already find this a big problem with text-based news.

EDIT: I meant to say internet-based news.

To answer the reply below, I guess my question is 'what benefit is there to me in following multiple reports as they break? To be good at it requires doing it on a regular basis, but the economic benefit is questionable. I think it's a great idea, and if it can build up a sufficient community then it has the potential to function as a better news bureau than existing sources. The hurdle to climb is that the number of people who will be both skilled at analyzing breaking news events and have the time to put in regularly will be fairly small, and every time there's a major event the interested local population that joins in will consist largely of -first timers, whose contributions will amount to (Shannon) noise.

I mention a local event, because I see that while we're worried about this because many HNers are in the Bay Area, over on the East Coast near Maine a train carrying oil derailed and exploded in the middle of a small town, flattening the town center and with 60-100 people missing. So a plane crash with only two fatalities doesn't seem very important from a different perspective.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#142
post #36

(latest info at bottom of comment) ABC reports it was coming from Taipei, linked forum says Taipei. Video of aftermath. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be . Redwood City FD responding. Unknown amount of passengers. SFO FD using foam on entire plane. FAA has now shut down operations at SFO due to "disabled plane" 3rd alarm called, "red" alarm called. Multiple reports that fuselage is in multi…

Amazing changes in information [1] flow. HN becomes a better source than all major networks combined. [1] Information as contrasted to conjecture and dramatization.

I've had CNN on for a while and it's amazing how little information they are giving. Until I came here i didn't know if there were 2 dead or 200 dead. It's almost as if they are so concerned with being wrong about anything that they can't offer any sort of initial report, rumor, or conjecture.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#143
post #98

Someone who was on the plane says everyone seems OK: https://path.com/p/1lwrZb

Look as though there are very variable reports right now- some saying two dead, at the very least a good number are injured.

Probably a simple logical fallacy. The dead aren't going to walk off a plane, so if you look around yourself after evacuating a plane and don't see anyone dead you might say that everyone seemed to be ok.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#146
post #8

Why is this HN relevant ?

SFO is the nearest airport to San Francisco and Palo Alto, I expect this will affect travel for people of startups coming back from vacation like myself. That's why.

TBH, if this was only interesting because some geeks might have their travel disrupted, it would indeed be off topic.

Traffic jams and CalTrain disruptions would certainly be.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bottlenecks in their escape were the doorway and the crew's deployment of the inflatable slide. Rushing the door in a panic would have done nobody any good. In a situation like that, why wouldn't you grab your bag if it was readily accessible? It seems like healthy, rational behavior rather than a symptom of extreme confusion.

The safety briefing before every flight tells you not take take any bags when emergency evacuating the plane.

it is interesting how emergency this emergency situation is - the people are being let out only through one door, and they aren't additionally channeled through business class door even though business class people have obviously already left, and there seems to be no damage to the plane blocking the economy to business class passageway. The emergency exit atop the wing is also not activated. I mean it seems that it isn't that big of an emergency from POV of the people inside the plane.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#148
post #55

ATC audio from the crash http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3

Amazing. Wish I understood what's happening in each exchange.

Basically, the United flight holds short of runway 28 as he may need a little more time (this is the United flight CNN showed sitting there, probably).

The ATC controller knows something has happened because the first time we hear from 214 heavy, the controller tells the pilot emergency vehicles are on the way.

Then some captains on final announce they're going around and some ask for redirect (one clearly to San Jose). The controller then tells some flights on final to go around.

Finally he's directing rescue units to cross all runways where normally they'd hold at each runway to be directed.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#149
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine the confusion that must have gone on when that happened, maybe it's shock or maybe people just underestimate the severity of their situation but correct me if I'm wrong... are there people in that photo actually carrying their bags off the plane? I can't quite comprehend that.

Apparently, it is fairly normal behavior; people activate a "leave plane" program. Having only one, they pick the one involving grabbing one's luggage before getting out of the plane. (Sorry, can't find a reference. Most hits I get are either on emergency reaction/response by outside teams or on long-term emergency responses such as PTSD, community reactions, etc)

We do whatever we're used to.

I fly gliders, where it's fairly common to wear parachutes in flight to guard against structural failure or mid-air collision.

We're told that when we're done flying, we should always exit the glider first, then remove the parachute. Some people will unbuckle the parachute first, then step out. Some of these people have gone on to bail out in flight, and they undo their seat belts, unbuckle their parachute, and then bail out of the plane without it.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#150
post #134

I know this is exciting news and all, but: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hacker News Guidelines What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're…

FWIW, I was in the airport waiting for my flight to SFO, and I took out my laptop and found this on HN. The counter staff only informed passengers of the news one hour after the HN post.
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