Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO • Hacker News Board

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by bsg75 » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:13 PM UTC

_wp3r wrote: post #61

bsg75 wrote: post #36

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Amazing changes in information [1] flow. HN becomes a better source than all major networks combined. [1] Information as contrasted to conjecture and dramatization.

KTVU is providing amazingly sensationalist coverage. I guess I do not watch enough video news to be use to seeing it. Just wild assumptions and implied details.

Apparently the belief is if they don't talk constantly, the reality TV demographic (those influenced by commercials) won't watch. Actual information is not important, just dramatic syllables.

Amazingly, Fox News is broadcasting a live feed of the scene, with no more audio than the helicopter itself: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by ceejayoz » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:14 PM UTC

jcdavis wrote: post #55

ATC audio from the crash http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3

I know they train for it, but the coolheaded professionalism there is remarkable - tower, other planes, all of them.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:14 PM UTC

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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by VladRussian2 » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:16 PM UTC

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VladRussian2 wrote: post #65

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many of these people are foreigners, ie. visas, passport, cash/cards, etc... It is night and day difference between having your passport+visa available for immigration control and the alternative.

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no. If everybody just rushed to the exit - it would bottle-necked and throughput would dramatically drop like it frequently happens in the known cases of club fires for example. Instead it dictates specific, much calmer, tempo: me/family alive and whole, neighbour alive and whole, bag with passport, lets move...

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by zhoutong » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:16 PM UTC

mililani wrote: post #53

Ugh...my wife is deathly afraid of flying. She is in Canada now and flying back to SFO next week. I hope she doesn't hear about this.

I was scheduled to arrive in SFO today and now my flight is canceled.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by qpoo » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:17 PM UTC

_wp3r wrote: post #61

bsg75 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing changes in information [1] flow. HN becomes a better source than all major networks combined. [1] Information as contrasted to conjecture and dramatization.

KTVU is providing amazingly sensationalist coverage. I guess I do not watch enough video news to be use to seeing it. Just wild assumptions and implied details.

Sensational it is sure. They have a helicopter circling around , while hacker news does not. But besides that, they can even interview drivers on highway 101, passengers on the next plane, how relevant! Oh, they did show the twitter picture by @eunner, yeah, they get it! They were reporting like that pretty much 10 years ago. As a side note, a koreatimes article about B777 incidents recently: (B777 engine failure sparks concerns) http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/07/116_1386...

'... On July 2, the jet, bound for Incheon International Airport from Chicago with 273 passengers on board, made the emergency landing at a far eastern Russian airport after only seven hours of flight. ... After engineers of Korean Air replaced the malfunctioned left engine, Korea’s Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport and the carrier launched an investigation into the incident and found the gearbox in the engine, built by General Electric (GE), was the reason for the problem. ...'

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by mseebach » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:19 PM UTC

lesslaw wrote: post #8

Why is this HN relevant ?

It's relevant because in terms of safety, commercial aviation equipment (aka "planes") are some of the most throughly engineered pieces of technology. 90% of the engineering lessons software engineering is learning today was learned in aviation decades ago. Now, one of the things just did something it not only wasn't supposed to do, it did something that shouldn't even be possible. That is very interesting news to hackers.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by ben1040 » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:22 PM UTC

jedbrown wrote: post #48

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The passengers exiting with wheeled luggage are a much bigger problem.

Seriously. If you are ever posed with a situation where you must evacuate an aircraft, then GTFO and just leave your bags onboard. Do not do anything that could impede others' egress.

You can get new stuff later, and the airline is likely to compensate you anyway (case in point, within days after US Air 1549 landed in the Hudson, the airline cut checks to the passengers to compensate for irretrievable belongings). You can't buy back your life or those of your fellow passengers.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by paranoiacblack » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:24 PM UTC

Revisor wrote: post #57

lesslaw wrote: post #8

Why is this HN relevant ?

You've been downvoted, but I think your question is a right one. Is this relevant, because it happened in San Francisco? Is every incident or crash in San Francisco relevant, then? Does it satisfy our intellectual curiosity? Is there something we can learn from it? Is there a clever hack involved? An interesting trend emerging? Obviously 128 people (what a nice number) think this should be on the HN front page. I don…

Please get off of your high horse and have decency or respect for human lives. Also, there are always stories of prominent hackers dying on HN and we give our condolences as well as discuss the innovations of that hacker. But because it's live and people seem ok, it's not relevant?

Also, if you can't learn something or satisfy your intellectual curiosity from an extremely violent plane crash that left (what is seems to be) all of the passengers virtually unscathed, you're really not trying. There are tons of physics and engineering principles in place in the flight of a plane and, imo, looking at the way the tail was lost, it should have turned out way worse than it did. Anyways, there's a flag button on the article, so feel free to press that button and move on. Thank you.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Post by cinquemb » Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 8:24 PM UTC

jlgreco wrote: post #51

cinquemb wrote: post #40

Incidents like this make me wonder about interesting problems people are currently solving/or will have to address with commercialized space travel. Say if this had happened at a docking port to a space station, regardless of the severity, it would have been fatal for everyone (assuming people in transit wouldn't be in some kind of suit meant to protect them from the vacuum of space/or radiation inside of a ship that…

Ever since Soyuz 11 depressurized after/while detaching from Salyut 1, everyone has used rescue suits during launch/landing. These rescue suits are not good for EVA as they don't provide the same mobility as EVA suits (better mobility while not in a vacuum, little to no mobility while in a vacuum), but they provide life support for limited amounts of time. Radiation is really something you don't worry about until eve…

Do you think (or are) people would be required to wear these suits on commercialized flights?

As an aside, I wish I could be involved with anything dealing with space and exploration… it all just seems so fascinating and so much potential not only for economic development, but even to understand who we are in the context of what is or may be around us.