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Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?

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Re: Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?

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This isn't only in Japan, it is a phenomenon that is spreading across the globe. Japan is first hit because of the strong disparities between generations. Truth is, the internet brought about a lot of things so one could have a constant "window out" from a single room. Most of us know precisely what I am talking about.

I would like to theorize that this is only one of the things that facilitate such isolation by making it more tolerable. What pushes people IN is the social reflection. Misfits often get shunned for being different. Tack all that on top of the social networks and the compound strength can be overwhelming: This generation is the first generation EVER to get to observe first-hand how their failure compares to their 5th grade friend Jimbo, who's now a doctor. And Suzan has had 2 kids. Meanwhile Jack constantly posts pictures of his new cars on sites X,Y,Z. That doesn't help your self esteem when you see everyone happy and you're lonely. Back in the days, your dad might have messed up for 3 years, but the stigma never stuck because (1) people did not have proof from the network itself and (2) he was able to "snap out of it" because he wasn't constantly reminded of others great lives (and by comparison how miserable he was) - those things would get ushered behind the blinds of hearsay, they'd be on the very periphery of your life. But now all of those haunt you, via Facebook feed and other social medias, where subconsciously we mostly try to advertise our successes. I think it is time for psychiatry to wake up to this. I fear it will take another 50-100 years for this to be understood.

I wish the world would wake up and realize that WE as a society are malfunctioning and that the burden to support each-others falls on all.

Re: Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?

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The international version of the term Hikikomori is NEET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET

NEET is japanese terminology, not international. NEET and Hikkikomori refer to two different behaviour types.

It's actually a British term that has been adopted by Japan. I know this might be splitting hairs, but both the wiki link you're replying to and the parent article cite this:

"an adopted British acronym meaning "not in education, employment or training"

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Hikikomori might be a Japanese term, but its not a Japanese phenomenon. I know dozens of my American friends who do the same thing -- hide from seemingly unprecedented expectations and similarly daunting odds, hide from society in alcohol, in television, in dual 2560x1600 monitors, even in exercise. (My room was video games, and I'm glad I found the doorknob.)

What's going on in Japan is a bit more severe than the western world's version. It came to a point where videos like these were made - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSq0XOHxJsQ Note the top comment made 4 years ago. While depression definitely exists globally, I don't think I've heard of videos like these being made for any place other than Japan. If I'm wrong though, please correct me.

I find this version better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A12dH72757U

Don't know what she say but I was paying attention :).

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Let's look at it from another perspective. Why are 20 somethings without jobs, with minimal face-to-face social skills, average to poor grades and therefore minimal career prospects, confined to their homes when a hyper-competitive, youth loving, cute/adorable/flashy/shiny-thing loving society awaits them outside? When the alternative is to be involved in the antithesis of your own persona, I can imagine why the slig…

Indeed, the whole flashy/noisy outside world in Japan can become very alienating sometimes. Sometimes in weekends in Japan the only thing I want to do is to stay away from other people.

There's a whole other side to Japan than the flashy/noisy side of Tokyo.

One of the start ups who frequents HN lives in Japan's country side and he's written some interesting blogs and comments on here about how he can go days without seeing another human aside his wife.

But sadly the side of Japan that seems to be exported the most is the futuristic, over-populated scenes from Tokyo and thus many foreigners assume that the whole of the nation is like it.

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Japanese society and education can be very demanding of young people. I live in Japan and have never seen so much brainwashing on the topic of the unemployed or uneducated. Besides the term hikikomori there is also NEET (Not Employed, Educated or in Training). Another shocking thing is whenever an upstanding pillar of the community is shown on TV they go out of their way to mention he is a "正社員", a full time employee…

I've always been startled by the word 社会人 which literally means "member of society" but AFAICS is used by people when describing themselves conveying the meaning of "I'm a full-time employee" (as opposed to student, part-time jobber etc.). The implication being that people who're not working full-time are not considered do be part of society?

I wondered that too.

It has that "I understand what society expects of me and am willing to obey it therefore I'm a model citizen" vibe to it.

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I understand this completely, having been through much the same during a darker period of my life. Seriously dark. Flat Black. Sometimes I still can't believe I found the "doorknob", but I'm really glad I did. Also, reading the term NEET here reminded me of Eden of the East, which is a cool Anime if anyone is into that.

Welcome to NHK also explores the NEET phenomenon, complete with a main character who is a complete shut-in at 22.

That manga probably takes things too lightheartedly / humorously though so I personally didn't find it particularly informational or revealing.

It makes up for it by being entertaining though.

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This isn't only in Japan, it is a phenomenon that is spreading across the globe. Japan is first hit because of the strong disparities between generations. Truth is, the internet brought about a lot of things so one could have a constant "window out" from a single room. Most of us know precisely what I am talking about. I would like to theorize that this is only one of the things that facilitate such isolation by maki…

It doesn't help that a lot of people only post good stuff to Facebook. "Pictures of wife and I celebrating our anniversary!". They don't then say "We both screamed at each other for 3 hours, just after the photo was taken."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

NEET is japanese terminology, not international. NEET and Hikkikomori refer to two different behaviour types.

It's actually a British term that has been adopted by Japan. I know this might be splitting hairs, but both the wiki link you're replying to and the parent article cite this: "an adopted British acronym meaning "not in education, employment or training"

Japan has imbued the word with a meaning unto itself though. I don't think the British version of the word carries the same kind of social condescension that it does in Japan.

Also Hikikkomori means that you literally don't leave your room at all (which is not the case for a NEET). If the hermit needs something, they'll often bang the floor to summon their mother (typically for food)

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