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Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?

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Re: Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?

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Hikikomori might be a Japanese term, but its not a Japanese phenomenon. I know dozens of my American friends who do the same thing -- hide from seemingly unprecedented expectations and similarly daunting odds, hide from society in alcohol, in television, in dual 2560x1600 monitors, even in exercise. (My room was video games, and I'm glad I found the doorknob.)

I understand this completely, having been through much the same during a darker period of my life. Seriously dark. Flat Black. Sometimes I still can't believe I found the "doorknob", but I'm really glad I did. Also, reading the term NEET here reminded me of Eden of the East, which is a cool Anime if anyone is into that.

Welcome to NHK also explores the NEET phenomenon, complete with a main character who is a complete shut-in at 22.

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Hikikomori might be a Japanese term, but its not a Japanese phenomenon. I know dozens of my American friends who do the same thing -- hide from seemingly unprecedented expectations and similarly daunting odds, hide from society in alcohol, in television, in dual 2560x1600 monitors, even in exercise. (My room was video games, and I'm glad I found the doorknob.)

The international version of the term Hikikomori is NEET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Starting your own SaaS/app/startup isn't that common for Japanese people, but it is starting to pick up more steam over the past few years. Sounds like his father would be happy to know what he can do with his computer skills if he expands out to becoming an entrepreneur. The skillsets involved in running your own company and the skillsets involved in working for someone else... are very different animals. Especiall…

That sounds like a business idea. Create retail services in a market filled with custom dealmaking. I'm guessing that might be hard in your case since it sounds like you have to deal with huge datacenters and network providers.

edit: re-writing my post; I... somehow misread you; I thought you were suggesting creating a service to do the negotiation for you. No, you were very clearly saying:

>That sounds like a business idea. Create retail services in a market filled with custom dealmaking. I'm guessing that might be hard in your case since it sounds like you have to deal with huge datacenters and network providers.

And this is, essentially, what "The cloud" is, and is why "the cloud" is so popular. The pricing is right on the tin, no wasted time negotiating.

I tried to do the same with raw rackspace and bandwidth, but really? re-selling rackspace when you don't own the datacenter is a really shitty business to be in. I mean, I'm not kicking off my current customers, but depending on how the data-center that my buddy will own turns out, I may or may not actually continue to sell co-location services.

Also, everyone expects the negotiation. In datacenter space and small bandwidth deals? (at the low end, they are sold in a bundle) there are middlemen who can funnel customers to you... for the low fee of 10% of the revenue that customer brings /for the life of the customer) Like I said, it's a shitty business; if you are leasing racks and re-selling them, you are /really lucky/ to be getting 10% yourself. (of course, margin (and labor) go up as you lease larger chunks from your provider and sell smaller chunks to your customers... margin on my quarter rack product was rather better; rack cost $600, and if it was full I made $800. Which isn't bad, except that I've gotta fill like 10 racks just to cover getting a reasonable amount of bandwidth into the facility.)

Man, I'm not very coherent tonight. But yeah, the 10% commission for the guys funneling you customers... normally? you make up for that; if someone comes in through one of the funnels, well, guess what, their final price after negotiation is just 10% higher than what you are willing to negotiate down to with someone who comes direct.

(the fucked thing here is that most of those guys that will point customers at you? they have websites that make them look like they are co-location providers.)

Re: Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?

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Japanese society and education can be very demanding of young people. I live in Japan and have never seen so much brainwashing on the topic of the unemployed or uneducated. Besides the term hikikomori there is also NEET (Not Employed, Educated or in Training). Another shocking thing is whenever an upstanding pillar of the community is shown on TV they go out of their way to mention he is a "正社員", a full time employee…

I've always been startled by the word 社会人 which literally means "member of society" but AFAICS is used by people when describing themselves conveying the meaning of "I'm a full-time employee" (as opposed to student, part-time jobber etc.).

The implication being that people who're not working full-time are not considered do be part of society?

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Hikikomori might be a Japanese term, but its not a Japanese phenomenon. I know dozens of my American friends who do the same thing -- hide from seemingly unprecedented expectations and similarly daunting odds, hide from society in alcohol, in television, in dual 2560x1600 monitors, even in exercise. (My room was video games, and I'm glad I found the doorknob.)

The international version of the term Hikikomori is NEET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET

NEET is japanese terminology, not international. NEET and Hikkikomori refer to two different behaviour types.

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I think you ignore the fact that parents accept the phenomenon and don't do anything about it. They let their children become apathetic and do not take action. I see that numerous times in Japan (I live here) where there is a clear detachment between family members and an agreement that they should not influence each other's lives.

You mean family members actually respect each others' choices, even though they may seem dysfunctional? That sounds rather positive to me.

It's more than dysfunctional, it's self destructive. If you stop going out completely you can't have a job and you can't ensure your subsistence later on in life either. That calls for action, in my watch, but I guess you can have a different point of view.

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Let's look at it from another perspective. Why are 20 somethings without jobs, with minimal face-to-face social skills, average to poor grades and therefore minimal career prospects, confined to their homes when a hyper-competitive, youth loving, cute/adorable/flashy/shiny-thing loving society awaits them outside? When the alternative is to be involved in the antithesis of your own persona, I can imagine why the slig…

Indeed, the whole flashy/noisy outside world in Japan can become very alienating sometimes. Sometimes in weekends in Japan the only thing I want to do is to stay away from other people.

Yes that sounds about right, it's horrible to not have space.

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If I had the money I would probably stay at home all the time as well. I have no problem socializing and doing stuff. It's just that I prefer being home.

Not that I disagree with "It's just that I prefer being home.", but in my own experience, thinking what are the things that every human being should do, I get to a few points :

* reproduce in a healthy manner ( have healthy and well supported children )

* socialize with real people ( we got facial emotions and beautiful speaking capabilities that mammals use for this )

* sport ( the other way around is unhealthy, since your muscles can become useless and you can have big healthy issues if you don't do that )

Of course that's not a complete list.

If you are afraid of doing some of those things ( not that I don't feel that I prefer to stay at home sometimes ), I think that you should consider reading some motivational books about that or change stuff in your life that suits you and make you happy. You don't solve your problems without a fight, that's just the way we live in this e-society.

I'm sorry if my comment sounds harsh.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The international version of the term Hikikomori is NEET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET

NEET is japanese terminology, not international. NEET and Hikkikomori refer to two different behaviour types.

"A NEET or neet is a young person who is not in education, employment, or training. The acronym NEET was first used in the United Kingdom but its use has spread to other countries including Japan, China, and South Korea."

This is even mentioned in the BBC article.

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