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A few words on Doug Engelbart

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Re: A few words on Doug Engelbart

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> Engelbart hated our present-day systems. I'm not trying to say "[citation needed]" here, but I would be interested in seeing a source for this. Does anyone know of one?

The citation, in this case, is Doug Engelbart. Bret Victor is reporting what Doug Engelbart told him about present day systems.

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I found that the quip about how the document that they are sharing while having a conversation is not screensharing as we commonly understand it in modern parlance to be pretty illuminating. That modern screensharing is in several ways worse than a demo that came out decades ago is frankly amazing. I've tried to recapture a bit of that early magic with https://coderpad.io/ (multiple cursors, realtime editing/executio…

It really is amazing. I feel like there is a similar mismatch and almost backwards progress when you look at the concepts and tools behind smalltalk and the concepts most working programmers today reason with and are familiar with.

I think the huge focus on web development set CS back at least two decades in certain areas. The industry has been so intent on reinventing applications through the browser, it's lost ground in what can happen in areas like Engelbert's or Smalltalk or real hypertext.

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Anyone knows who was Doug Engelbart's PhD advisor at Berkeley? We have his profile at phdtree: http://phdtree.org/scholar/engelbart-douglas-carl/ but there is no where to find out info about his PhD advisor.

John Woodyard

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/hasrg/histsci/ssvoral/enge...

More:

http://www.ee.washington.edu/people/alumni/profiles/woodyard...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Robert_Woodyard

Its also listed on his wiki page directly.

Re: A few words on Doug Engelbart

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Just curious if anyone else here has tried Screenhero? I've found it to be quite excellent in a handful of situations where I needed to use it.

It's screen sharing where each person has their own cursor. Works surprisingly well for a small company product.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is amazing. I feel like there is a similar mismatch and almost backwards progress when you look at the concepts and tools behind smalltalk and the concepts most working programmers today reason with and are familiar with.

I think the huge focus on web development set CS back at least two decades in certain areas. The industry has been so intent on reinventing applications through the browser, it's lost ground in what can happen in areas like Engelbert's or Smalltalk or real hypertext.

Yes, exactly. It is the reinventing of his goals that is painful.

Re: A few words on Doug Engelbart

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is amazing. I feel like there is a similar mismatch and almost backwards progress when you look at the concepts and tools behind smalltalk and the concepts most working programmers today reason with and are familiar with.

I think the huge focus on web development set CS back at least two decades in certain areas. The industry has been so intent on reinventing applications through the browser, it's lost ground in what can happen in areas like Engelbert's or Smalltalk or real hypertext.

If you think of technology progress as a global simulated annealing problem, it is ok to step back a bit to get out of the local maxima. Web Dev may have taken us back 20-30 years in certain areas but once caught up, it can take us much further than the previous methods could have ever expected us to. The previous methods in this case being, compiled software that require specific devices/OSes and require a very high level of competency in all aspects of development.
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