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Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Post by iwwr »

buro9 wrote: post #3

Now we know what will happen to Snowden if he is granted asylum by a country that can only be reached by flight. The flight permits will be rescinded, the plane forced to land and subjected to a search, and if Snowden is present I suspect he will be arrested and extradited to the USA on the basis that the asylum is invalid on the grounds that it was not granted in the destination country. Russia really is his best ch…

Could he take a more circuitous route, through Russian territory up to the Far East and then across the Pacific to some friendly South American country?

Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Post by acqq »

Irishsteve wrote: post #8
buro9 wrote: post #3

Now we know what will happen to Snowden if he is granted asylum by a country that can only be reached by flight. The flight permits will be rescinded, the plane forced to land and subjected to a search, and if Snowden is present I suspect he will be arrested and extradited to the USA on the basis that the asylum is invalid on the grounds that it was not granted in the destination country. Russia really is his best ch…

I think searching a government / diplomatic plane isn't allowed.

Tell that to Spain:

"9.27am BST Morales said he refused a request by the Spanish authorities to inspect his plane in Vienna and has not been granted permission to use Spanish airspace, according to Reuters."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-a...

Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Post by runn1ng »

osivertsson wrote: post #4

Guardian is doing pretty good live reporting on this fascinating story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-a...

It's funny how this story goes international.

From Hong Kong/Peking to Moskow, to Austria/France, to Venezuela.

Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Post by zokier »

buro9 wrote: post #3

Now we know what will happen to Snowden if he is granted asylum by a country that can only be reached by flight. The flight permits will be rescinded, the plane forced to land and subjected to a search, and if Snowden is present I suspect he will be arrested and extradited to the USA on the basis that the asylum is invalid on the grounds that it was not granted in the destination country. Russia really is his best ch…

> the plane forced to land

Forced how? I doubt anybody would be willing to shoot a civilian plane down to get Snowden, especially if the plane in question was also carrying a president or other high ranking people. So the pilot could relatively safely ignore any demands to land.

Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Post by viraptor »

kriro wrote: post #7
jgrahamc wrote: post #2

FlightRadar24 has the recorded track of his flight, FAB1, here: http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2013-07-02/16:35/FAB1 The odd thing about the claim that Snowden was aboard is that FAB1 took off from Vnukovo but Snowden is apparently in Sheremetyevo. Here's a picture of plane turning round over Austria and then descending and landing in Vienna: http://i.imgur.com/cuUQkWV.jpg UPDATE: News reports say that FAB1 is leavi…

I was not even aware that site exists. Pretty fascinating stuff, thx for posting. I'm surprised Poland let him pass if Snowden was really supposed to be on board. US-Polish relations are generally pretty good. Russia->South America without clashing with the US seems like an interesting problem. If Italy,France,Spain,Portugal is blocked you pretty much have to take a giant detour, go through Africa or try flying out e…

> US-Polish relations are generally pretty good.

Are they that good? I got an impression they were pretty good while Poland was still promised things like joining the visa waiver program. Now I think many people are quite annoyed at the outcome / delaying for years. The whole project of rocket interception sites is also bringing up some interesting questions lately.

Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Post by vidarh »

acqq wrote: post #12
Irishsteve wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think searching a government / diplomatic plane isn't allowed.

Tell that to Spain: "9.27am BST Morales said he refused a request by the Spanish authorities to inspect his plane in Vienna and has not been granted permission to use Spanish airspace, according to Reuters." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-a...

They are not allowed to forcibly enter. But of course that does not stop bullying like this where they the "request" permission to enter while making it clear they won't allow him to fly through their airspace if he doesn't.

Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Post by petercooper »

camus wrote: post #6

That tells a lot about all these European countries that are just puppets of the US government,especially France where I come from... Maybe we should stop the hypocrisy and let Washington govern us directly, we could save a lot of money this way.

This was actually briefly discussed between the UK and US in the 70s: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wilson-wanted-uk-to-be-us-...

Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden

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Post by omegant »

nsns wrote: post #9

Did the US just facilitate Snowden's asylum? They seem to be locked in eternal overreach.

They don't seem to be handling this very intelligently, more like a bully than anything else. It would be much easier to let Snowden get to a country in southamerica and then after some weeks press under the table to get him arrested. Now doing all this pressing all they get is Snowden in China or Russia's arms.
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